Chapter 26: Civility

“No plan is beyond dreading the sound of a match being struck.”
– Dread Emperor Reprobate the First

“You could change,” Hakram gently suggested, “into something that’s not still smoking.”

I patted at my cloak absent-mindedly, irritated that even after three rounds of that there still seemed to be smoke wafting up somehow. My face was caked in dust and soot, so Adjutant was being fairly light-handed by just talking about clothes, but to the Hells with it. Who was I trying to impress on the other side, by not arriving dressed like a grimy goblin and smelling of dark sorceries? That lot had already declared me Arch-heretic of the East, the only way to go was up. A sharp whistle had Zombie trotting to my side instead a spoken answer and Hakram sighed.

“I take it you won’t be washing either,” the orc said.

“Got it in one,” I cheerfully replied. “Now, we’re just waiting on-”

Leaning against my staff, I pushed myself atop my docilely waiting mount. I settled comfortably onto the saddle, the length of ebony in my hand spinning gracefully the once before I brought it to rest against her neck.

“- a message,” I finished. “After that we’ll be going to have a nice polite chat with people who may or may not want to murder us.”

“Is Vivienne coming along?” he asked.

I shook my head.

“Not for this, considering what it might come to,” I said. “And even with you I’m hesitating.”

I glanced at his latest mislaid limb.

“You still any good in a fight, Adjutant?” I asked, tone serious.

He’d known me long enough not to be offended by a question most orcs would have drawn steel over, knowing it was genuine.

“I only need one hand for an axe,” Hakram simply replied.

I nodded in acknowledgement, and neither of us saw any need to belabour the subject any further. In the same way that he’d trusted I asked my question without derision, I would trust him not to be letting pride do the talking when he’d answered it. Dusk was mere moments away, but even in that spreading gloom the winged silhouettes of the Sisters were blots of deeper darkness. It would have been convenient to use them as messengers, but I’d not even bothered to ask – Komena might be somewhat amused by the insolence of it, but Andronike certainly would not. I got cawed at quite enough already without trying to use goddesses as carrier pigeons. The word I’d been waiting on came back on foot, in the shape of Lord Ivah. It knelt before my horse, head rising only at my silent inquisitive glance.

“It was arranged, Losara Queen,” the drow said. “The order was received.”

“Good,” I said. “On your feet, Ivah, and back to the sigil. We might have a long night ahead of us.”

“One can only hope, First Under the Night,” the Lord of Silent Steps smiled.

It heeded the dismissal without tarrying any further, leaving no footstep and making no sound as it vanished into the depths of the camp. Adjutant had visibly been busying himself tying two bundles to the sides of my mount, but it would have been a mistake to believe that meant he’d not been closely paying attention to everything taking place by him.

“Drow are hard to read,” Hakram said. “But this one seems bound more tightly to you than the others.”

“It was first among my Peerage, in trust if not necessarily in might,” I said. “The distinction remains even past the death of the titles they bore.”

“Loyal?” the orc asked me, head cocking to the side.

“To me?” I smiled. “More than some of its fellows are comfortable with, I think. But their true loyalty goes to something I merely stand for. Best not to forget that, when making demands of them.”

“And what demands will be made of them tonight?” he asked.

I hummed.

“The order I sent was a contingency,” I said. “Best you don’t know of it for deniability’s sake. But if the Saint of Swords is there, Adjutant, I’ll be making a play.”

“For?”

“The thing they have that I most want,” I said.

I could see in the tightening of his brow that Hakram was forcing himself not to ask more questions even as we made out of the camp. He wouldn’t be pressing more over the scheme hanging in wait, so odds were he was simply still curious about the drow. It had a fond smile quirking my lips, though I hid it away. Akua had taken to the culture of the Firstborn only insofar as it involved the levers of power and other exploitable angles, Indrani had learned what pertained to her own interests and little else. Hakram, though, was fascinated by drow culture in a manner that went well beyond the immediately useful or relevant aspects of it. It was odd seeing them through that fresh set of eyes, having them taken in as strange and exotic when they were neither to me. I’d indulge him for an hour or two later, though if he intended to make a treatise on the subject I was definitely letting him pick at Ivah’s brains instead. I’d refused the legionary escort Juniper had offered when I’d told her I would be headed for talks with the Pilgrim and his latest round of minions, along with Vivienne’s suggestion of an honour guard of knights. They both had their instructions in case this ended with someone killing me, which I considered to be unlikely but would be arrogant to be presume impossible.

It was not a long walk, to where our enemies were waiting for us, and it was opens ground every step of the way.

The pavilion was held up by two poles, thick canvas painted green and gold descending from there in a roughly rectangular shape. The entrance, flanked as it was by truce banners, had been tied open just enough to reveal four silhouettes within without letting out the heat from inside. All of them seated at a table, with raised braziers providing warmth in the waning light of day. Hakram and I did not hurry, allowing the shadows to lengthen with our approach. Crusted with dust and ash, I must have looked to have been tarred to better match the dark: the sight of me, at least, brought a sliver of almost indulgent amusement from the goddesses still circling above. Sve Noc descended on dark wings twofold in the exact moment day turned to night, and they claimed my shoulders as perch without a word. We were close enough to the pavilion I could make out the faces of most within. Rozala Malanza, face drawn and tired after the day’s battle but no less grimly cast for it. The Grey Pilgrim himself was no surprise, for he would have been drawn to a day like this sure as flies to fresh corpses.

The sight that had my pulse quickening, however, was the Saint of Swords: Laurence de Montfort’s crooked frame and wrinkled face were unmistakeable. Well, it seemed I was going to be playing with fire after all. The fourth and last was a man looking to be in his early forties I knew not, though I could hazard a guess. He was built like an orc, tall and broad and thickly muscled. Add to that the deep tan and the good chance he was the commander of the Levantine part of the army, and odds were this was the Lord of Alava. One of the Champion’s Blood, as they were called, though it was my understanding that the heroine who’d killed Captain was not kin to the actual blood descendants of that ancient hero. The two mortal rulers were fresh additions, not in attendance when I’d gotten my first report of this tent being raised. The Pilgrim must have sent for them before I even departed the camp with Adjutant. The hero was laying it on thick, I decided with a frown. That particular point had already been made when he first had the pavilion put up. This reeked of overcompensation to me, and that was not something I’d usually associate with an old hand like Tariq. Regardless, I had no intention of being pulled into his rhythm.

“Here,” I suddenly said.

Zombie stride came to a sudden stop maybe forty feet away from the pavilion, and I stroked her mane affectionately even as Hakram followed suit. With a hard shove I planted my staff in the snow, and Adjutant mirrored the gesture with the truce banner he’d been marching under. Without a word it was made clear to the other side I would not be humouring them with a single step further. Komena cawed approvingly from my shoulder, never one to pass the occasion to stick it to someone even through ceremony. It was almost amusing watching the ripple of dismay that passed through the enemy when they realized that they’d have to leave their nice warm tent to come speak with the Black Queen. A small gesture, perhaps, but so had been their own intention in making me crawl to their table and domain before speaking to them. I intended to make it clear from the beginning, which side it was between us that came closest to being considered the supplicant. They filed out one by one, and I had to suppress a grin when I saw the Saint had gotten stuck with the duty of carrying out a brazier. Seeing the woman who might just be the most dangerous killer in the service Heavens being used for manual labour warmed the petty cockles of my heart. The Grey Pilgrim took the lead, those simples grey robes that should prove no match for the cold all he’d bothered to wear. Malanza and the Levantine let him stand in front, an implicit endorsement of his primacy, while the Saint put down the brazier near them with ill-grace.

“Queen Catherine,” the Pilgrim said, “we-”

The touch was light as a feather, for the first fraction of a moment. People often said they could feel a weight to the gaze of others, when it was on them, a sort of sense for the attention – and this was the same, in a way. The crow-goddesses on my shoulders stirred, and the touch was torn through by their will like a hand through cobwebs. It came back, a little stronger, and from a myriad angles. Komena’s wings spread in irritation: the night shivered around us, and only then did the attention withdraw.

“Tariq,” I interrupted in Chantant, tone harsh. “If you don’t tell your owners to keep their grubby little fingers to themselves, I might just decide to take offence to their behaviour.”

Like tossing a stone in a pond, I got to see the ripples from that. Princess Rozala was surprised, and a little confused. The Levantine looked… angry enough to draw steel, but hiding it much better than I would have guessed. Good ol’ Laurence had a hand on her sword, ornery cutthroat that she was. It was for the best, I mused, that the scheme I had in mind required me to get under the skin of most these people.

“Pardon?” the Grey Pilgrim said, what looked like genuine surprise on his face.

Andronike cawed on my right shoulder, though the true meaning she simply wove into my mind as a thought.

“Mercy, huh,” I said. “That’d be the Ophanim, if I remember my theology right.”

I leaned forward, peering at the Grey Pilgrim and not.

“Are you listening through him, you meddlesome old things?” I asked. “Try that again and I swear I’ll take a few feathers for my cloak.”

Hakram, bless his soul, had always been quick to follow through on my plays.

“This could be taken as an assault under truce banner,” the orc gravelled. “What exactly is your meaning in arranging this, Princess Malanza?”

The Princess of Aequitan’s face betrayed irritation, before she mastered it and it became a pleasantly smiling mask.

“This is a misunderstanding, Lord Adjutant,” she said.

“They’re lying,” the Saint of Swords said. “It wasn’t an attack, only gazing.”

Years of rubbing elbows with Praesi ensured the flash of satisfaction I felt never made it to my face. Laurence was always going to be the weak point, here: she was powerful, unused to having to measure her words and hated me to the bone. Like a lot of people who’d been the strongest in their surroundings for years on years, she’d not had to really answer to anyone for too long. That led to sloppy habits.

“So by your own admission the Choir of Mercy attempted to look into my mind,” I coldly said.

Rozala’s face tightened almost imperceptibly. She might not have a sense for stories, this once, but she could recognize a diplomatic blunder when she heard one.

“The Saint of Swords does not speak for us,” the princess said. “As I said, Black Queen, this is a misunderstanding. Let us put it behind us and-”

Suddenly, Andronike began laughing in the back of my mind. A heartbeat later I heard Tariq flinch, and from the crow-goddesses I felt only vicious satisfaction.

“Gods, child, what have you done to yourself?” the Grey Pilgrim said. “Those things on your shoulder… those are no crows. How many times can you sell your soul?”

Had he tried to gaze at them using an aspect? I almost pitied him if he had. The foundations of apotheosis for these two had been millennia of hateful murder, and the mortar had been Winter freely given – look at one of those raw would have been painful, but the two? Still, I ignored him and kept my eyes on Malanza instead. She was the angle I needed to exploit right now. The Levantine, who’d still not been introduced, was watching this unfold with wary eyes but not apparent inclination to step in.

“Your delegation has now assaulted me, accused me of lying over said assault and is now trying to lecture me like a misbehaving child,” I mildly said. “Explain to me, Rozala Malanza, why I should not simply leave.”

“Perhaps a recess is in order,” the Levantine said, speaking up for the first time. “An hour, setting terms through intermediaries to avoid this strife.”

His tone was calm, and his Chantant only lightly accented. What he was suggesting had a decent chance of succeeding, which was why I couldn’t allow it to happen. This needed to have a very specific shape to it, if I didn’t want it to end with a sword running through my guts.

“There has been no evidence that your side is willing to negotiate in good faith,” Hakram said, tone just as calm. “A recess would change nothing. It is an explanation that is required.”

“I am Yannu Marave, Lord of Alava and first among the Champion’s Blood,” the Levantine said. “I give my word that no assault was meant, to the best of my knowledge.”

Cool-headed, I thought. That was unfortunate. Why couldn’t I have gotten your average brash Dominion swordarm in attendance instead? Hells, the boy in Sarcella had been from a legacy of mages and he’d been nowhere this even-keeled.

“Perhaps the two of you had diplomatic intentions,” I conceded, adjusting the angle of the thrust. “If that’s the case, we may proceed without their presence. It has certainly been nothing but a distraction so far.”

The earlier anger returned to his eyes. There we go, I thought.

“The Peregrine will always have a voice in the councils of Levant,” Lord Yannu replied, tone grown cool.

Now we were getting somewhere. He’d taken a position, I could take offence to it rightfully and walk away from this without having been ‘the villain breaking negotiations on purpose’, which was rarely a situation that ended well for said villain.

“Foundling, this is getting out of hand,” Princess Rozala said, with forced calm. “As Lord Yannu suggested, a recess would be best.”

“She’s breaking this down on purpose,” the Saint said, and spat to the side. “The Enemy always schemes, Malanza, you should have learned that by now.”

And it was true, I thought, but by saying it she’d given me exactly what I needed.

“That’s quite enough,” I said, allowing anger to seep into my voice. “We’re done here. If neither you nor the Pilgrim can keep your hound on a tighter leash, Malanza, we’ll settle this on the field.”

Now, there was the gambit. But I’d been fairly sure the moving parts would come together just right. With the Sisters disallowing whatever it was that allowed the Pilgrim to look into people, he should be on the backfoot. Experience, for once, would work against him: when you used a tool for several decades, suddenly losing it required an adjustment. Even the finest swordman in Creation would need time to adapt after being forced in his first fistfight in sixty years. Time which I’d been careful not to give the Pilgrim, so to speak. Now, Malanza had to answer for two heroes neither of which she had any real authority over, and she was not great diplomat in the first place. That I’d be able to work around her when the chaos set in was a given. The only unknown had been the Lord Yannu, but even though he’d given me trouble most of Levant came with a usable handle: the Grey Pilgrim himself. Even the implication he was to be dismissed had been enough to harden the Levantine’s position. Now, I had passable reason to leave in a huff. And I’d repeatedly slighted the Saint this whole time, when odds were she’d be opposed to this kind of conference in the first place. I was leaving with the promise of waging a battle that would be dangerous for her side, in her eyes likely succeeding at whatever scheme I’d been intent on. So, after I took my reins in hand and began to tug at them to turn Zombie around, I prepared to find out whether my gambit was going to pay off.

A flicker of movement from Saint, and just like that I had them.

“Laurence,” the Pilgrim yelled, “don’t-”

I wouldn’t be able to avoid that, I thought even as steps almost faster than I could follow had the Saint of Swords standing in front of Zombie and swinging her blade at my throat. But then I’d known I wouldn’t be able to, and taken precautions well in advance. As the steel made it a bare inch from my throat, ruffling Komena’s feathers lightly as it passed, Laurence de Montfort was decked in the face.

She went tumbling across the snow, spewing out blood and even a tooth, while Rumena the Tomb-Maker followed.

The Grey Pilgrim’s hands blazed with light, but a heartbeat later I had my staff in hand and pointed at him.

“You make a move, Tariq, and I’ll drop you,” I said, tone perfectly calm.

He hesitated, even as the two mortals on his side reached for their blades in delayed reaction to this unholy mess, and that was quite enough for General Rumena to see my will done. The Saint of Swords landed on her feet, but the ground beneath her turned into boiling shadow and her leap up as she raised her sword once more had her land in the grasp of the old drow. Who closed its fingers around her throat, and squeezed lightly once. Her hand went down at the clear signal that the drow could have killed her but would refrain if she ceased moving. In a fair fight, I suspected the Saint would kill it after some trouble. In an ambush, as I’d arranged in a sense, it might be a little more even. But my weapon here wasn’t Rumena’s own might, so much as the fact that the Saint of Swords was a heroine who’d just attacked someone leaving peaceful negotiations held under truce banner. There wasn’t a single fucking story that would get her out of this, so long as I was careful.

“I’ve had better fights from jawor,” the Tomb-Maker scathingly assessed in Chantant. “This cattle is blind and easily provoked, Losara Queen. How has it survived so long in the Burning Lands?”

I couldn’t prove that Rumena had worked on its mastery of Chantant purely to be able to slag its opponents verbally, but I had very deep suspicions.

“Catherine,” the Grey Pilgrim said. “You cannot-”

“Your Majesty,” I idly corrected. “I am going to ask you questions now, Pilgrim, and if you don’t answer them quickly and truthfully then General Rumena will execute the attempted murderer of the Queen of Callow.”

“Queen Catherine,” Princess Rozala tried, but she wasn’t part of this right now and so I simply ignored her.

“Do you have Amadeus of the Green Stretch as a prisoner?” I asked the Pilgrim.

“Yes,” Tariq said.

“Where is he?” I asked.

“At camp, under restraints.”

“Is he alive and unharmed?

“Yes,” Tariq said.

“Is he in his right mind?” I pressed.

“As far as I know,” the Pilgrim said.

“Good,” I smiled. “Fetch him, right now. I’ll trade him for your murderous little friend.”

The Grey Pilgrim remained silent for a long moment.

“Laurence is one of the few living heroes who might be capable of slaying the Dead King,” he said. “More than that, of killing him permanently. You could be dooming the continent by killing her.”

I met his eyes and smiled.

“General Rumena,” I said. “Squeeze a little tighter.”

“Merciful Gods, Foundling, this is madness,” Princess Rozala yelled. “You can’t extort us-”

“Your delegation just tried to murder me under truce banner, Malanza,” I snapped. “You should be licking my boots in fucking gratitude that a prisoner is all I’m demanding to let it go.”

“The Carrion Lord torched entire principalities,” the Princess of Aequitan snapped back. “How many thousands of dead innocents are on his head? And you think you can just ask for him back?”

“Black’s the only way Praes doesn’t collapse and take a third of the continent down with it,” I said through gritted teeth. “So take your damned objections and choke on them, Malanza, because he might be a monster but he’s mine and he’s still needed.”

“Don’t do it, Tariq,” the Saint called out. “Let them have me and then slit the bastard’s throat. No truce with the Enemy.”

“Tighter still, Rumena,” I coldly ordered. “Pilgrim, an answer. You won’t wait me into a story that turns this around.”

“If you kill her,” Tariq said, “I’ll kill him.”

“You’ve kept him alive so far for a reason,” I countered without missing a beat. “While I have no pressing reason to keep de Montfort breathing save for this trade. Try again.”

“You are gambling with matters beyond your understanding,” the Pilgrim said, sounding frustrated.

“If even a single one of you had taken any of the deals I offered we wouldn’t be standing here tonight,” I told him without a shred of sympathy. “Instead you get this and you get me. You were warned, Pilgrim. My terms were given, do we have a bargain?”

“He’s killing her,” Pilgrim said, eyes flicking to the Saint.

“Best hurry then,” I harshly replied.

“I only have the body,” the Grey Pilgrim said. “The soul was removed.”

“By who?” I snarled.

He didn’t answer, and that was answer enough. The fucking Saint of Swords.

“Where’s the soul?” I asked.

“I do not know,” the Pilgrim replied, then glanced at the Saint again. “If Laurence dies, Catherine, we have no accord.”

“General Rumena, loosen your grip slightly,” I reluctantly said. “And you must be hard of hearing, Pilgrim – it’s Your Majesty. How can you now know where the soul is?”

“I entrusted it to the Rogue Sorcerer,” Tariq said. “And sent him into hiding.”

“Why?” I hissed.

“So that the Black Knight’s body could be publicly slain while his soul remains usable as leverage,” the Pilgrim said.

“Have the body delivered, then,” I coldly said. “It’ll serve for a start.”

“And Laurence?” the Pilgrim pressed.

I glanced at her, at the naked hatred on her face. Before this she had despised me mostly in principle, I thought, but now? Now it was personal. She’d be after my neck from the moment she was let loose.

“You can have her back, once I have the body,” I finally said.

My eyes turned to the princess and the lord, who looked deeply uncomfortable with what had taken place – as much with the Regicide’s actions as the fact it looked like I was coming out on top, I thought.

“So,” I said. “I suppose we have some time to kill before I get the body. Let’s have us a peace conference, then.”

238 thoughts on “Chapter 26: Civility

  1. Hmmm.

    So there’s no one actually in charge in the Alliance side. That bodes poorly for their chances in the long run.

    So … what the hell is the Rogue Sorcerer supposed to be doing? Hey, maybe he’s trying to hide in Arcadia and Masego is looking for Amadeus.

    And Cat still hasn’t brought up Pilgrim breaking hostage bond.

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    1. IDKWhoitis

      I think Hostage bonds got placed at the bottom of the pile of grievances, and technically Tariq was only an observer, so he may not have been obligated to stay.

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    2. Actually it is Saint that is in charge on the Alliance side because she is the Bards second in command and the Bard has usurped the Crusade from Cordelia. That is something the Pilgrim might not know because the Saint sent him after Black before Saint told Cordelia they were taking over and letting Procer be destroyed. Go back to Fatalism III

      “Oh, we’ll bleed,” the Saint mused. “We’ll lose badly, at first. And then we’ll claw our way back up, inch by inch. Evil always wins at the start, but it’s us who owns the conclusion. And from the ruins something better will rise. This empire’s already a corpse, but we’ll send it off with a pyre glorious enough it’ll redeem the old faults.”

      “I will have you arrested,” the First Prince of Procer said. “I will have you killed, if that is what it takes.”

      “You just worry about getting the armies marching,” Laurence de Montfort dismissed. “Odds are I won’t survive the scrap, but that’s all right. It’s a good war to die in. It’ll be the crusade that settles it, you see: too many old monsters came crawling out on both sides. Won’t be the kind of losses a side can recover from.”

      “You are not listening to a word I say,” Cordelia whispered, aghast.

      The Saint of Swords rose to her feet jauntily. The First Prince’s muscles clenched, though she managed to flinch when the Chosen approached her. The old woman clapped her shoulder.

      “Keep your chin up, girl,” she said. “Sacrifice is always ugly business, but we’ll come through in the end. To rise from the ashes, there needs to be a fire first.”

      The Saint of Swords strolled out, boots slapping against the stone, and the sound of the door closing behind her was the death cry of an era.

      The non heroes definitely do not know of the coup that Saint pulled off at that meeting. Right now Saint is in command of all the Crusader forces everywhere, she tells Cordelia where she wants them and she has to follow through or lose everything.

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        1. Didn’t think on the ramifications of that meeting did we? Remember earlier in Fatalism III the scene set in the Highest Assembly?

          The motion failed, and she had scored a wound that would not show for months yet, but she could feel the wind turning. The matter of the coming conclave needed to be squashed, lest today’s abstentions become tomorrow’s knives.

          The Conclave wasn’t squashed, instead she was instructed by Saint to just make sure the armied marched. Oh those abstentions have turned into knives. Go back to Congregation II where EE talks abouts the order to Malazana:

          There was no mistaking the broken seal of the First Prince, but instead of replying Rozala unfolded the scroll a little further and let her comrade glimpse the seal that went unbroken at the bottom of the text. The Highest Assembly’s. In time of war Cordelia Hasenbach’s word was law, in affairs military, but having her order seconded by a motion of the Assembly meant disobeying it would have Rozala legally committing treason.

          There is the order to get the armies marching from Cordelia just as Saint ordered against Callow and away from the Dead King and the Highest Assembly backs that order.

          “I have been named to the supreme command of an army being assembled in Cantal,” Rozala said. “By the shores of Lake Artoise. Forty thousand soldiers, perhaps more.”

          Louis’s eyes brightened.

          “Reinforcements?” he asked.

          “Not to Cleves,” she replied. “I’ve been ordered by Her Most Serene Highness to reinforce the Dominion’s armies and break the foreign armies in Iserre.”

          “Praesi,” the Prince of Creusens bit out angrily. “Callowans. That’s not the war, Rozala.”

          “The League as well,” the Princess of Aequitan reminded him.

          “We should be making peace with all of them,” Louis said.

          “I don’t disagree,” Rozala admitted. “But the seals are there, Louis.”

          “Let’s see her enforce that, in the middle of the Dead King’s wroth,” he said. “Madness.”

          And who did Malanza find at the end of that journey? Not just the Pilgrim but Saint as well.

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          1. Can you please stop block quoting?

            None of that implies that the Saint is somehow in charge of the Grand Alliance.

            That meeting with Cordelia was the Saint telling Cordelia that the Crusade will be fought to the bitter end, with no compromise with Callow, which she is ensuring by having Catherine declared Arch-Heretic.

            It doesn’t mean the Saint is suddenly in control of Procer, much less Ashur or Levant.

            The Levantine armies are under the direct control of the Majii, they only take suggestions from Cordelia and orders from no Proceran.

            We saw Cordelia’s viewpoint in the Prologue of this book and the only mention she made of the Saint was to say that the heroes are no longer reliable. That’s not the reaction of someone who’s just faced a coup.

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            1. Those quotes don’t imply nothing, Saint tells her directly what she is going to do and she did it. Now show some text quotes to back up your assertion because I went back to that Prologue and it states very clearly that she knows she should not give the order to send her armies after the Legion and Callowan armies but she signed them because she was told by the Augur there is a path through that way. The Augur who’s rise was due to the Bard. Cordelia does not rule anymore, she is openly threatened by Saint who laughed at her threats to arrest her and she has the Augur who she trusts completely but only tells her what will accomplish the Bards goals.

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              1. jonnnney

                The block qoutes only proved that Cordelia acquiesced to a single demand of the Saint. That does not mean that the Saint is in command of Procer. Hell she isn’t even in command of her heroic band. She is a rabid dog not a leader. Suggesting otherwise only reveals that you haven’t been paying attention to a single thing she has said or done.

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              2. Cicero

                It doesn’t prove anything like you claim. The Saint is not in charge after a coup.

                Rather the Saint has arranged things so that Cordelia is cornered and has to go along with the Saint’s plan… for now.

                Cordelia is still in control over Procer, she just is limited in her actions.

                Now that she realizes that the Saint is her enemy instead of an ally, Cordelia is right now plotting how to sabotage the Saint’s plan, save Procer and so on.

                The Saint is not in command of the army or the Crusade. The Levant forces will follow the Grey Pilgrim over her, and the forces of Procer will follow Malanza (who will likely lean towards the Grey Pilgrim’s advice).

                The Saint isn’t even trying to seize control. She’s just following along with the Bards plan and hopes to die in a blaze of glory.

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                1. I still think calling it ‘Bard’s plan’ is giving Laurence too little credit and forgetting Bard’s ban on direct touch. She gave Saint ideas and advice, at most.

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            2. NerfContessa

              Well, shit. Amaedous didn’t manage to get his new name before being desouled.
              OK, so, can night maybe pull the soul out of the Saint? Setting up a. Second exchange?

              Damn, this is getting tense…

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          2. I really don’t think Saint is in charge of anything. She bullied the priests into doing the stupid thing, threw the match into the powderbox, and that’s all she can do. She think that’s all she NEEDS to do, the rest will play out inevitably according to the story she sees coming.

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                1. Steve

                  Bard just nudges people. I’ve been reading under the assumption Saint is just a war hawk. She told the First Prince to get the armies moving because that was the First Prince’s only (or best?) course of action after the crap storm Saint kicked up. Saint just wants a straight up fight with Evil, but she saw First Prince was leaning towards peace, so Saint was like, “naw, I’mma make it so your only option is war, so get the armies moving or you’ll lose your seat of power.”

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    1. IDKWhoitis

      He effectively got Name Jump-Started, as she re-awoke Black’s grudge against what is necessary, and gave him a new purpose in life. Bard fucked up, as this completed his transition into someone who might deserve to live in Cat’s world after she changes it (Per end of Book 3 Stabbing).

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        1. No she admitted that Kairos beat her in the Free Cities due to what he got with the Hierarch and his Name which was an old mistake.

          “So I’ve heard,” the Bard said. “Kairos has that thing villains often do, where they confuse symmetry with humour. Probably got a giggle out of waving an old mistake in my face.”

          “None of this was meant for you,” he finally said.

          “Oh, that touch was probably just a drop of arsenic in the wine,” Aoede shrugged. “But I made your Name, sweetcakes. Back in the days before I knew better.”

          “Aoede of Nicae, I charge you with treason,” he said, rising to his feet. “Collaboration with foreign oligarchs and agitation in the name of wretched tyrants.”

          “You can’t be serious,” the Bard said.

          “Should you fail to be present at your trial,” the Hierarch continued calmly, inexorably, “you will be tried and convicted in absentia. As per League law, you may petition the Basileus of Nicae to request amnesty on your behalf.”

          He looked down at the woman.

          “It will be denied,” he told her. “But to petition is your right.”

          Eyes wide, the Wandering Bard opened her mouth to reply but between two heartbeats’ span she… disappeared. As if she had never been there at all.

          Remember the Bard only flees on 3 conditions and one is imminent death and Hierarch charged her with treason after telling he he wouldn’t play her and the Gods game. We have now seen that power in action and so that threat from Hierarch would have ended in her death so she was forced to flee and didn’t get all of what she wanted there. Remember this also Both Cat and the Hierarch have been labeled “Not of her work”.

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        2. IDKWhoitis

          Until the end, it’s going to be hard to tell. We also don’t know if she would play the script straight until the end even if she knew it would result in her demise (so what would we call a mistake on purpose?)

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            1. IDKWhoitis

              I think Bard gets to peek at the God’s Script, with a little bit of Artistic license as to how it is done. She doesn’t get a whole lot of agency as far as where she goes, or what will happen, but she does get to read the patterns emerging around her. I think this is what she means in regards to peeking at the script, she can see what things the Gods are aligning around her, and all she needs to do, is give a little push.

              She is given great power, so that the show can continue. This is why Hierarch hates her, the Dead King watches her, and the Heroes only treat her as an opportunistic friend, she doesn’t really have an agenda, but a directive which can help or clash with either side.

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              1. Far be it from me to take Kairos’s speculation at too much of a face value, but his point was that Gods don’t actually have levers for direct interference other than Bard. Narrative “scripts” can be nudged here and there at will, by any Named or even regular people on occasion, and it’s them that Bard can look at. If there are indeed instructions/purposes of the Gods that she is obligated to follow (rather than just circumstances she’s indirectly caught in and is free to do whatever within the bounds of, plus occasional errands), they’re far from a ‘script aligning around her’. She’s the only one receiving those instructions.

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    2. haihappen

      The Bard was there to egg Black on, so that he would escape with Purpose. The bard implied she was unable to stop Black escape, which Black knows is not true iirc.
      So Black saw through the Bard’s words, cold and calculating as he is. He realized the Bard made a mistake: IT needed/wanted Black to escape. And so that is what he did not do.

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      1. I don’t think she said she couldn’t interfere with his escape. She said she wouldn’t be there if the heroes had been able to.

        But yeah, apparently Black figured that after Bard’s words, actually letting the heroes proceed with their stupid plan was the smallest fuckup he could make ;u;

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  2. danh3107

    After several chapters of not much happening that we were unaware of we’re finally back on track. These are the kinds of chapters that got me addicted to the story.

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    1. crescentsickle

      The entire work is what got me addicted to it, and it would be inherently less in my eyes if it did not have the chapters you dub as being “off-track”.

      It’s called subjectivity, and I and many others would appreciate you not trying to pass it off as objectivity.

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  3. IDKWhoitis

    Grey may not be able to read Cat using Angel hacks, but he sure as hell knows she can certainly smite his ass.

    Also, I love how that terrifying monster that fought it out with 12 heroes and “won” only got more dangerous. Able to swat away the heavens with an idle thought. She really is turning into a monster to put into the ranks alongside the Dead King.

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      1. Are you sure about that? The crows are a convenient form for two pieces of Sve Noc, but Cat herself is the priestess. Sure Cat might pull off yet another reincarnation (hey, kitty’s got at least 5 lives left 😉 ), but not yet — this is the time of the First Priestess of Night.

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        1. RanVor

          Yeah, I’m pretty sure. Cat may be the priestess, but she doesn’t have that much power by herself. She has some Night, but not enough to effectively block a Choir without assistance.

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          1. Yeah, but breaking the crow-constructs doesn’t necessarily cut Cat off from Night — if anything, it would just make Sve Noc mad. And they’ve got a few thousand Drow standing behind Cat, including perhaps a dozen or so Mighty who can go toe-to-toe with Named.

            It also occurs to me that Sve Noc did effectively resurrect Cat. They might well be able to retrieve Amadeus’s soul.

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            1. RanVor

              You’re missing one important detail: Cat doesn’t have access to all this Night all the time. She’s only given access when Sve Noc judges it necessary. In all other situations she has to rely on the amount of Night she has in herself, which isn’t that much. In fact, I strongly suspect that Rumena has more of it than her.

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              1. Death Knight

                No.

                Cat, as First Under the Night has more Night than any other living Drow. The Drow’s culture is rooted in the Mighty standing above the weak and she is First Among those ranks so it follows that she would have more Night than it. But I would wager Rumena has more ways of using the Night than she does. This is moot however because Cat has the ability to rip out the Night out of any Drow without killing them (see the time she had to discipline that Mighty that got uppity when it didn’t want day watch).

                But you are right, she does not have enough Night to go against Komena or Andronike since they are her source and in her own words they gave her enough Night that they could literally kill her on a whim.

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              2. Adding to Death Knight’s comments, notice how Cat has been stockpiling Night in her staff (which she said will also be a sword), not to mention the Well. I’m reasonably sure that even if the crows got broken, that would at least give her enough power to reestablish a connection to Sve Noc from her end.

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  4. IDKWhoitis

    Wait, what if Cat attaches the Soul to another Body? Like technically, Black’s Soul is where his Name and some of his mind resides, and he has proven that cheating, necromancy, and a bit of blasphemy is enough to get things working well enough. I’m mildly intrigued if we are going to get another pseudo-nefarious-revival for Black.

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      1. Death Knight

        Why not just bind Black to the cloak in the interim until they can get the body thing sorted out? This means she will always have Black as an advisor and this basically forces the legions of Grem to be loyal to her and she gains the use of Scribe and Assassin through him.

        Plus we get more Black screen time. EVERYBODY WINS!

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        1. That would be… thoroughly villainous. But as noted elsewhere, it looks like she’ll bet getting his body first. Then she needs to track down the Rogue Sorcerer. Given that Name, I suspect they might be hard to track down, especially since Masego is off doing his own thing.

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      2. IDKWhoitis

        I have a running theory that Black’s body will be destroyed or rendered an unsuitable vessel one way or another. Either through Saint, Pilgrim, or other heavenly shenanigans.

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    1. caoimhinh

      She might still do that by the end of the “peaceful negotiations”.
      Something like “I never said you could have her soul too.” Although that could put her again in the villain stories and Cat wants to avoid that.
      My guess would be that since Saint is so temperamental and proud, she might attempt to attack Catherine again after she is set free, and either be captured or killed. Then Cat can use her again to trade for Amadeus’ soul (plus adding further humiliation to Saint). Even her dead body can be a hostage if kept under conservation wards because Pilgrim needs that to resurrect her with his Forgive Aspect.

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      1. Or since they stripped Blacks soul first that doesn’t throw her taking Saints soul out into a villain story. Keep in mind that the “heroes” have been acting more and more like villains, stripping sould sounds very Praesi to me. Pilgrim committed and act of Genocide against the people of Procer, Saint has now tried to murder Cat under a truce flag for a second time. Those are Villain stories and that is why Cat threw into Pilgrims face that a story wouldn’t save her this time, because the story favors Cat. This is the fourth time Cat has beaten Pilgrim in Diplomacy. First time undercover before the Battle of the Camps, Second and third time after the Battle of the Camps and now here. The problem Pilgrim has is that he is trying to play the old good vs evil story on Cat and it doesn’t fit and she throws it back in their faces. They do the same things the “Villains” do but they are allowed because their Gods say so. That is why when Cat threw the insult of “You’re Ranger with a shiny coat of paint and a socially acceptable pretext for killing” it got Saint so angry, because she knows it’s true and Ranger while a Calamity is not truly a “Villain” in the struggle between the Gods. Another example of their willful blindness was in this chapter, Pilgrim is shocked and horrified how she is tied to a Goddess, but is completely baffled about how he is tied the same way to the Gods Above through the Choir of Mercy and how they are using him.

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      2. Hardric62

        My guess is that the Saint of Bitches is very much doing all of that on purpose. She does want a massive carnage destroying Procer after all. Peace or truce of any sort kinda ruin that idea. Meaning this place will actually be the Princes’ Gr

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        1. Hardric62

          I hate my keyboard and the lack of editing function.

          So the place will be very much the Prince’s Graveyard because she won’t tolerate any diplomatic outcome here, even if she has to slaughter the Princes to throw the army at Catherine herself.

          And I’m left wondering about the ‘when’ of Blac’s escape. For some reason, I’m fairly certain it should have happened a while ago.

          And I guess the Grey Hypocrite is less terminally stupid than I thought if that gambit he mentioned is/was real. Although I’m pretty sure soul-stealing for hostage purpose is the sort of thing cimenting that name for him in my mind.

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          1. Oh I can see Saint trying something again thinking she can take out Cat, but I don’t see her killing the Princes. She wants the Armies to fight so that there is mass casualties. If she kills the Princes like that there it wouldn’t work because she can’t be with each army giving orders. Remember it is a secret coup that Bard and Saint pulled on Cordelia, they still need them at the moment to pass the orders along. That is why they had Cordelia order Malazana’s army there. Already some of the secrets are popping out ie Black, but they are not at the stage where they come out into the open to run the show. No what could happen Saint tried a second time that night of killing Cat as she leaves, thinking now that the Tomb Maker is out of hiding she can get through. Of course Saint isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer and hasn’t realized the implications of having the Avatars of Sve Noc a Goddess there. She probably hasn’t figure out yet that Sve Noc is blocking a lot of what the Gods Above can do for them in that area and never think if they can hide one drow, maybe there is more hidden near by and gets planted by Ivah, kicking off the Cats backup plan where the Drow eliminate all the Army commanders throwing all the Armies into confusion and now facing the 70,000 combined might of Cats army…at night. It wouldn’t take much to break those Armies and thus have low casualties and achieving almost all Cat’s aims.

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    2. fbt

      lol, that would have been epic..too easy, tho i suppose, to make a good story. great thinking tho someguy! 🙂
      this was decent. A lot more action-y, but at least Cat performed compently, almost like the miniBlack she is. That part I liked a lot; smart protags are so rare, and here it’s got a lot of additional freight via their relationship.

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  5. caoimhinh

    This chapter was AWESOME. It was full of great moments.

    I knew that I would love the “child, what have you done to yourself?” scene that was inevitably coming when Pilgrim laid eyes on Catherine, I was not disappointed.

    One minute into negotiations and they say “We need a recess” LMAO that’s quite a display of being in the inferior position.
    So, Cat got them, nicely done. Things will get messy to manage to get Black’s soul back, it’s likely going to be part of the negotiations of Callow and Ever Dark joining the Grand Alliance against the Dead King. Cat really has more leverage over them that they would like to admit.
    Also, General Rumena Tomb-Maker is quite cool, as always.
    “He might be a monster but he is mine” we all know what Cat meant was “but he is my father”.
    Really looking forward to next chapter.

    *The Hype is high*

    Typos found:

    -would be arrogant to be presume / presumed OR eliminate the second ‘be’
    -opens ground / open grounds
    -in the service Heavens / in the service of the Heavens
    -She might not have a sense for stories, this once / this one
    -look at one of those raw would have been painful / a look OR looking
    -I heard Tariq flinch / I saw Tariq flinch
    -How can you now know / How can you not know

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    1. Dainpdf

      I honestly thought he’d approve! She offloaded the eldritch on someone else! Which leads one to think: maybe there’s still some form of alienation here? Let’s hope not.

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      1. I mean he can’t actually look at her soul and see she’s better off now, he just sees the crows. Becoming a priestess of Evil Gods is not an obvious Good move, even though it literally was that in context god fucking bless

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    2. haihappen

      If she had said: “He is like a father to me, I want him back!”, THAT would have set off all the red flags and alarm horns in the Pilgrims mind:
      The classical story of a young hero(ine) that will not rest or compromise to save her mentor/father/brother/lover, and make every sacrifice necessary to get him/her back. Powerful story stuff, and funnily enough, Cat would be in the Hero-role in that story.

      Also, this chapter reminded me of “just because I’m winning doesn’t mean I won’t cheat”

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      1. Except Cat isn’t in fact a Hero, so she can’t make that story work for her and Pilgrim knows it. So Cat keeps her lips tightly sealed around any comment to the effect of “I want my father back”.

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          1. The thing is, she is a villain — she found out the hard way what happens when she tries to play like a hero (got a Squire aspect eaten by a devil). And likewise, Saint just found out that no matter how powerful a hero, acting like a villain gets you hammered.

            Note that it’s not a matter of doing good or evil (by our real-world definition) acts, rather it’s a matter of which stories you try to play out. And attacking under a truce flag is simply not in a hero’s playbook.

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            1. Your info is outdated. Catherine made a heroic play at First Liesse and literally got herself resurrected by a Choir against its will. She simply didn’t properly weave the story at Marchford, and of course demons neutralize narrative advantage anyway.

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              1. That was her dawning aspect of Take. She had won both the martial and the story games against William, gaining massive narrative power. She also had a freshly regained Name, with all aspect slots open — and aspects show up at a dramatic crux, providing a in-world mechanism. And then she got into the position of “the victor, who shall now be rewarded”.

                It’s been claimed that creatures from outside Creation can break plot snares, but yet it’s mostly Names that let mortals fight devils and demons effectively. I see no reason why the narrative power here couldn’t enable an aspect to affect an angel, especially when the result was to enforce the active storyline.

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                1. No, ‘victors’ aren’t rewarded. Heroes are. That’s exactly what I’m talking about, Catherine won by making herself the hero of the story. She outplayed William, yes, in the game of making the story be at her side by being the hero of it.

                  One other notably discussed in canon occasion was Tariq and Laurence talking in Kaleidoscope and both admitting that the shape of Cat’s story – that she’s probably going to wake up and come to her allies’ aid at the last moment – is not a villain’s.

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            2. Cicero

              Actually, Cat has never held a Villain name.

              Instead she held the name of Squire, which isn’t exactly a neutral Name, but is a Name that can either be Heroic or Villainous. It’s what they call a Transitional Name.

              Notably, none of the Woe held a Name that was exclusively the position of either the Gods Above or the Gods Below. All of their Name could go either way.

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              1. Transitional Names can still be Heroic or Villainous, it’s a separate distinction. And Squire can be Heroic or Villainous, but it was very specifically and definitely villainous in Cat’s case, as evidenced by necromancy powers. She got powered by Below explicitly, because of being a Black Knight’s apprentice. It’s not inherent to the Name itself, but it’s inherent to the Role she claimed within it.

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        1. Death Knight

          She is no longer Named, hence she cannot be classified as either a Villain or a Hero in the strictest terms of the Roles. So, just like Black, she’s a candidate for the Heroic Role. EE himself said that you don’t need to be sworn to a Choir to become a Hero, you’re ideals just need to align more or less with what Above laid down. So in theory, she can use the Hero story. This is why mortals can kill Named; they do not have the fetters that Named have. Why this isn’t more prevalent is that on average Named are an order of magnitude more stronger than mortals but they are ever at the mercy of the Story. Mortals are not.

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          1. Insanenoodlyguy

            She is, at least for the moment, not named (though she could well be turning First Priestess into a name as we speak). But she’s dealing with named, and that means she’s still in the story. If a mundane villian acts out tropes, the hero is still strengthened. Or, in this case, if a hero acts the villain, is still weakened. Cat still has to play this careful because even if she can’t make a story where she is sure to lose, she can still walk into one where Grey Pilgrim is sure to win.

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        2. luminiousblu

          You don’t actually need to be a Hero to make a Heroic story work for you (see the Heir to the Throne gambit in First Liesse). Villains describe roles but only on the grand scale. Attacking someone leaving negotiations with their backs turned is not really a Heroic action, it makes you the treacherous dunce of a mauve shirt who gets one-shot to show off how badass and loyal the Bodyguards of the King are. The reason the SoS got fucked is because she got stuck in one of the shortest-cycle villain stories ever, it’s literally a two step story: A man tries to assassinate the King, he is executed by loyal bodyguards.

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  6. I’m pretty sure I recall meddling with souls as having been described as pretty high on the “most people think that’s evil” scale in earlier books. This might not be helping Pilgrim’s case with his non-Named allies…

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    1. Dainpdf

      Levantines will accept it because Pilgrim. And a lot of Procerans will accept it because of what Black had been doing when he was caught.

      Or at least that’s what I think.

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      1. Oh most definitely they will accept it for those reasons but the Wastelanders of the Dread Empire of Praes practice soul removal also and they accept it for basically the same reasons and they are objectively on the Evil side. Doing an Evil act for good reasons is still doing Evil, matter of fact there is an old saying that goes something like this: Only the truly righteous can plum the deepest depths of Evil. Saint fits that category so well, she is willing to let thousands upon thousands die and be turned into zombies just to cause the people to cry out to them to be saved from what they caused.

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        1. Dainpdf

          Whether evil is in the means or the goals is debatable. Some might say that doing a soul removal to a villain is fine, or that it’s fine in the case of preserving a life, or any number of things.

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          1. Skaddix

            Yeah people love their false equivalencies…cutting out the soul of The Black Knight is not the same as cutting the Soul out of some random.

            Besides Saint leans Anti-Hero.

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            1. Insanenoodlyguy

              Yeah, but that leaves her weak in this case.

              An anti-hero works best against clever but traditional Evil. When you can say “being nice doesn’t work here!” and this do bad things for good reasons. You can still have support that way. But the problem is, Cat isn’t traditional Evil. She was legitimately acting in good faith when she wanted to treat for peace. If, for example, Cat did have some sort of “Kill all the good guys while they thing we are treating” plan, then nothing would have stopped that blade. Because then it’s Saint forgoing honor for results, even if it hurts her own standing. That’s anti-heroism. And that’s the mindset Saint keeps doggedly trying for even though it just isn’t working with this one. Possibly because she can’t concieve of any evil that isn’t really traditional evil no matter how it appears otherwise. But whatever her internal reasoning, the result is the same: when you do these sort of things to a more neutral character, or at least one acting in good faith, you aren’t an anti hero anymore. You’ve slid down the scale to Anti-Villian at best. And Anti-Villians don’t get the same win rates.

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          2. The question of “what, actually, is Evil?”, is the basic theme of the Guide.The in-world given is that it’s the team you play for (trope: Blue and Orange Morality) and all else (story, powers, behavior, allies) follows from that. But Amadeus noticed a weakness in the mechanics and attacked that weakness; Cat has taken up his fight against the system. It may well be that their efforts are bearing fruit as the heroes lose track of the rules in play.

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            1. Dainpdf

              Black is very much Team Evil. He doesn’t want the teams to go away, he just wants his team to really win for once.

              And as the Pilgrim reinforced earlier, those rules? They’re mostly something Praesi and Callowans had in mind. Being Good does not prevent one from being ruthless. (Trope: Good is Not Nice)

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              1. To be more precise, Black does not consider the teams themselves to be inherently a problem, and is willing to stand under the banner that gives him what he wants.

                What he wants being a victory for Praes and Praesi. He couldn’t give less of a shit for non-Praesi Evil, and even the more Evil Praesi speciments he’d gladly set on fire given half a justification (c) Catherine. He doesn’t mind the banner, but opposes the philosophy with his entire being.

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                1. Dainpdf

                  He’s not opposed to destroying Praes to achieve the win, either, which is an odd little paradox – unless you’re looking at it from his particular perspective.

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                  1. He’s not opposed to destroying the institution/government of Praes, because his loyalty lies with its population, not with its ruling apparatus. It makes perfect sense to me. Amadeus is very literally a revolutionary. C’mon, look at the shape of his story – a farmer’s son gathering oppressed minorities around him to fight and win a civil war against abusive nobility?

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                    1. Dainpdf

                      Does it? He doesn’t seem to mind much when he gets people killed.

                      In my view, Amadeus has a point he wishes to prove, and everything else – including Praes, its people and himself – is secondary and thus disposable.

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                    2. Doesn’t he? Malicia’s argument to him against slaughtering all High Lords immediately was that it would lead to too many casualties. “What a waste” is his constant refrain @ people dying, including when he’s the one killing them, and the reason he considers the Callow-less Empire to be unsustainable is because starvation spreads across it during lean years. “We are so enamored with bleeding our own that we have sayings about it”

                      Did you notice him latching on to Catherine’s “better world” phrasing and then in a conversation with Ranker pretty much saying that they were going for that all along?

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                    3. Dainpdf

                      A waste. A waste of resources. Not a tragedy.

                      He may have changed after he got stabbed, perhaps, but he seemed to me still more enamored with the idea of breaking the status quo of evil than with championing any cause for the common man.

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                    4. And that’s what I mean by him spotting a weakness in the mechanics of story. Depending on where you stand, a revolutionary can be “a terrorist who hates our freedoms”, or “a freedom-fighter standing against the Real Evuls Over There”. That ambiguity is what lets him play both sides of the script.

                      Cat is doing something similar with “they say she’s an Evil Queen, but she’s our Queen and she fights for us against demons, devils, and whatnot”.

                      Interestingly, the orcs and goblins are backing both of them up with “just because we’re green doesn’t mean we’re mean”, to the point where even under Black’s rule (when he was Black), ordinary Callowan citizens would look to orcs for protection against the local guards.

                      It’s getting past “you can’t tell the players without a scorecard”, to “what use is this stupid scorecard?” 😉

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            1. Dainpdf

              You speak as if the philosophy of ethics were a solved subject.

              There are many moral outlooks out there. Not all are so categorical as to decide morality solely by looking at which acts were performed, regardless of context.

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  7. Dainpdf

    That was some great baiting.

    A pity the Pilgrim is bound to adapt before long, but starting the conference with playing the opponent, then a show of force? Pretty great.

    Though I wonder how much this does for the chances of cooperation later on…

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    1. GuidingMoonlight

      The Saint of swords who can cut fabric of reality in several km radious decided run up to Cat and cut her with a sharp stick like a normie.
      The Saint of swords who are the oldest hero around and was shown to be aware of narrative gets baited into cliche.

      Mkay.

      The Grey killed his own cousin because it’s necesary, but immediately folded when Cat threaten his bff.

      Mkay.

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      1. Dainpdf

        As Grey said, Saint is necessary to kill the Dead King. And he’s off his game. And Cat has a story at her back.

        Saint also doesn’t know Cat is mortal again, and she has a story against her.

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        1. And Cat has explicitly said (OK, not to Pilgrim) she isn’t committed to killing the Dead King, she just wants him to go home. His argument has even less weight because even if “it has to die”, Pilgrim could only say Saint was “one of the few” who could end him. But Masego, even Cat herself, are probably also among that number. (Cat has enough plot power to Come Up With Something. 😉 ) I tend to doubt Pilgrim himself is in that club.

          And as Fayhem points out, Pilgrim probably doesn’t know what-all Saint’s been up to. I’m starting to wonder if angels of different Choirs can be convinced to attack each other.

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          1. Dainpdf

            I was arguing that Pilgrim backed down because it matters to him. That that matters less to Cat only worsens his bargaining position.

            I am not sure Evil can kill the Dead King, associated with the Hells as he is. We already know Evil can’t truly destroy Demons.

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          2. Erratic has confirmed that, particularly based on different cultural norms in his example, it’s possible for heroes to come to blows with each other, though killing’s still a no-no.

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      2. Gunslinger

        Saint moved so fast, Cat didn’t even have time to move her horse. That was a move which would have worked 100% had it not been for Cat planning for it. And Saint might be good at reading stories but she wanted to kill Cat from the start, and figured her superior ability would trump any story disadvantages.

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      3. Muffin

        The Saint of swords who are the oldest hero around and was shown to be aware of narrative gets baited into cliche.

        True that, even if the Saint is a machete rather than a scalpel, she has intuition and even has realized that cat doesn’t play by the Evil handbook.
        But it might have been a way to screw up negotiations. She should have known that a single hit wouldn’t kill Eldritch Cat.
        Remember that they’re facing Cat, and not the Dead King because of the Saint orders. She doesn’t want a truce.

        The Grey killed his own cousin because it’s necesary, but immediately folded when Cat threaten his bff.

        I can’t see why wouldn’t accept that.
        Loosing the strongest fighter for the carcass of a man AND screwing up the negotiations?

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        1. Well a blade stopped an inch from her throat by its wielder getting decked in the face really doesn’t give me that impression.

          Saint is a walking cliche already. “No truce with the Enemy” is like the oldest ‘he who hunts monsters’ heroic downfall in the book.

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    2. Insanenoodlyguy

      Yeah, but cat is no fool. This is the full power of her uninfluenced brain. She knows he will rally. Shes got at least a half form planned for that inevitability. And as already noted, Saint has hurt the story and she knows it. She wanted to die in that moment because it’d bail them out, she’d have paid for her dishonor and the rest are free. At the moment, she’s an albatross as long as Cat doesnt get too sadistic.

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      1. She flipped the story on them, Pilgrim is now in the villains side of it and if he tries something while still there it will cause him to lose. This is something he even pointed out way back before the Battle of the Camps: Cat isn’t following the Villains line but the Hero and he asked Saint what does that make them then. Thats the thing, he knows the answer, he knows what they are doing is wrong, but he just can’t take the final step because then it would bring everything about his life into question. Cat has started an existential crises in Pilgrim, it is just taking a long time to come to a head.

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        1. sutortyrannus

          Hoping that the culmination of the developing crisis you mention is a conversation with Amadeus about morality – Not So Different being thrown in the faces of the sanctimonious is always a fun time.

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          1. y e s p l e a s e

            and on Amadeus’s side, him trying to veer around it like ‘I am not the right person to talk to about this’ but bit by bit getting provoked into revealing his sheer unbridled idealism ;u;

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            1. Amadeus specifically remarked in his POV that they refused to let him have that conversation (which he very much wanted, probably both to fuck with them and out of sheer loneliness and boredom). I doubt that changed offscreen between then and now, though it’d be hilarious and wonderful if it did.

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        2. I think he IS trying to do what’s right, it just keeps slipping from his fingers. It’s a bitter pill to swallow that allying with Cat is the only unambiguously Good move here (and it would literally bind her more to the side of Good because she would listen to his advice and guidance), and I don’t think he has enough evidence for that yet.

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          1. No he is doing what the Choir is telling him to do. Go back and reread Peregrine II through IV. In II the Choir stops talking to him when he saves his Nephew. He placed his values ahead of the Gods Above, they didn’t send him back to save his Nephew and punish his Brother he choose that. From that mistake he made the next by letting the Prince and his family live thinking he was being merciful, from that mistake he didn’t tell his Nephew the why’s of that and he grew bitter and hateful. That final mistake forced him into correcting his first mistake by killing his Nephew as was intended all along and once he did the choir started talking to him again. That is a painful lesson to learn about obeying your masters and Cat’s remarks to him in this chapter just might break something loose.

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            1. I mean sending him back to save his sister (not nephew) was never the job of the Choir of Mercy. And letting the prince live was very much a Mercy thing to do. Really don’t think where you get that killing his nephew was anything the Ophanim intended; they’d approved of him placing the needs of the many above the needs of the few, that’s all.

              I really don’t interpret this relationship the same way you do.

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                1. Yes. And your interpretation is that this means they wanted his nephew to die. While my interpretation is that Ophanim don’t give a fuck and operate on a far more abstract level: they stopped talking to him when he prioritized family above his duty as a Hero of Mercy, and restarted when he returned to that priority.

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            2. Cat’s comment about Saint that I quoted above applies somewhat to Pilgrim too. Not as much because he’s not axe-crazy, but he just saw Cat casually slap his Choir’s power aside, and didn’t like it much. He may be due for a crisis of faith.

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          1. Insanenoodlyguy

            I think, to be fair, she was banking on the scheme narrative. Which is not all that complementary mind you, because she is doggedly refusing to believe Cat is anything but Evil pretending instead of something new.

            In her mind it probably went something like this “I am the anti-hero type. This Woman is scheming. She wants this talk to fail to further some goal of hers, or maybe the talk itself is irrelevant and was just meant to last this long to be a distraction. Either way letting her go allows her to get what she wants. The ‘rules’ are binding us here, AND SHE’S COUNTING ON THAT. But ultimately she’s the Arch-Vile and I am an anti-hero. I know she’s got a real plan. Killing her here might make me look bad but the way these stories work I will be completely vindicated as evidence presents itself shortly of what she was really up to.”

            Of course, she didn’t consider that in fact the scheme was “get Saint to attack me, leave peacefully if she doesn’t” Because tricking your opponent into breaking the rules so you can take them down while honoring them is very much a hero move.

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            1. Yep. Cat’s acting like a Trickster Hero at worst here, and Saint’s conviction threw her into a corner here. Gods, Laurence, you’ve already had the “not a villain’s story” realization during the Battle of the Camps, just how determined are you to ignore reality staring you in the face?

              Saint would have been right had she been up against someone like Kairos or alive!Akua. The problem is, she has enough information to surmise otherwise by now. She just… doesn’t.

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            2. …actually it sounds like Saint doesn’t trust in the metaphysical judgement. Like if Hanno threw his coin, got laurels, and went ‘nah this can’t be right’ and then killed the person anyway. Which he wouldn’t do, but Laurence… has gone far, far off the rails here.

              Like Cat has priests working miracles in her army, but clearly Laurence knows better what Good and Evil are than Above does, right?

              …I mean I’d agree with that, if she wasn’t… so… bad at making these judgements -_-

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                1. Yeah, but like, Bard doesn’t brainwash people wholesale, she gives them ideas within the range they already find plausible.

                  Laurence is 100% fully responsible for the degree of bullshit in play here.

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              1. Insanenoodlyguy

                They have said Saint has a good sense for stories herself though. I think she was just following the wrong track because, as I said before, she’s used to fighting a certain type and isn’t adjusting.

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    1. Valkyria

      Also, props to Hakram. Even though he doesn’t know Cat’s plan or exactly how her endgame looks like, he manages to stay in perfect sync with her. Sure he has the bonus of knowing how she thinks (as far as anyone other than herself can know that) and his Name to help him with it, but he just finds the perfect words to say and moments to say them in. Just a good job.

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  8. Decius

    Did the Pilgrim just say that Black was unharmed, and then admit that his soul was severed? Seems like it would be fitting to suggest that he might return from the truce negotiations similarly ‘unharmed’.

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    1. And have Cat lose her high ground? She already tread dangerously close to the villain line here, Laurence being not wrong and all that. And the minute she’s a villain the Crusade is righteously opposing, rather than a misunderstood hero trying to sort out the mess, she loses.

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  9. Wry Warudo

    > “Are you sure I can’t recruit you?” I felt compelled to ask. “I’ll be honest, I would spend good money to see you punch Saint in the face.”

    I wonder how much Cat owes Rumena now

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    1. konstantinvoncarstein

      Yes, but the story was against her. Attacking someone under truce banner, during negotiations, is an unambiguously villainous act. She was definitely in the role of villain here, and will all know how it goes…

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  10. Exec

    As much as I love seeing #1 Drow beat the shit out of #~1 Heroine, this was way, way too aggressive of a play.

    I hope wanting Black back, even if Praes and the Accords might need him, hasn’t blinded her to how badly this will go now.

    Badly for her enemies, sure, but still not exactly ideal for her long-term plans…

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    1. Gunslinger

      She knows Saint needs to die before she can get Good onto the negotiation table. All of this baiting and aggression is the groundwork needed to kill Saint.

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    2. Insanenoodlyguy

      Not necessarily. If she held him indefinitely, and made more demands, it would certainly be. But she has stated that while they will get on with the peace talks, that this is a separate matter. That the pressure of her hostage looms over them is a factor is not necessarily relevant as part of the story. She has made clear that the matter is settled for the one prisoner or the execution of the truce breaker. She has to avoid sadism, but if she does, she’s fine (namely, she can kill Lawrence outright or let her go, but if she say, makes to start cutting pieces of of her and that bluff is called and it’s not a bluff, she’s taken it into villainy and now the story can pivot against her).

      Ultimately, while this will certainly end with a few crowns off one way or another, Our mortals can truthfully say that their position was significantly weakened when that one goddamn fucking hero flagrantly broke truce. And lets face it, if Rozala tells Cordelia “We had a chance here till that goddamn lunatic Saint fucked it all up!” we are in the unique position that rather then disposing of Rozala as a potential threat with this juicy failure, Cordelia is going to think this tracks. And may well feel inclined to take her aside and say “Yeah, she’s going completely off the rails, whatever else we have to put aside, because the blessed seem to be trying to take the reins here and drive us off a cliff.” They have the patriotism of overwhelming threat and mutual enemies to bond over now! Of course, for violating that order, Rozala still loses her crown before this can even happen. But that doesn’t mean that’s her end in the story.

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      1. Well, she was expecting a worst-case scenario, because she knows how the story goes. It’s Another F-ing Critical Juncture, so she just assumed things would go to hell. “Gates barred? OK, deal with the situation here first, and while I’m at it, milk my slightly-scorched condition for effect. Saint’s here? Obviously she’ll try to attack me — I have goddesses defending me, but can I turn the attack to my outright advantage?” and so on.

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        1. Yep.

          Cat looks like she’s treating from a position of strength here because she acts like she doesn’t mind treating peace conference like a battlefield where she is sufficiently wary of getting killed to not take a non-Named associate with her and give orders in case of her death.

          We’re very much used to Cat being fully willing to put her life on the line for the sake of building her better world and trying for the best possible outcome. It’s easy to forget that it’s not actually the default, and pushing back against being forced to is… it doesn’t come anywhere near aggressive yet.

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  11. Draconic

    Catherine should just take the Saint’s soul until Black’s is returned to his body. She can even tell the Pilgrim, that the Saint is still alive, unharmed, and in her right mind.

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    1. And the left mind is reserved for Amadeus?

      Again: one of the few things we know about Amadeus’s story position is that he is no longer the Black Knight. Cat doesn’t know that, but we do — so, “Amadeus”, not “Black”.

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  12. Also: “Hey Pilgrim? The bad news is your buds at Thassalina managed to push the Son Of The Red Skies over the edge, and then he took the Liesse hellgate generator. The good news is he took it out of Creation. For now. Do you think you can negotiate with him better than I can?”

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      1. Literally this; Amadeus is the only power broker in Praes who both has a realistic chance of holding it together as a country and has the will/intent to actually implement the fundamental societal reforms that Praes desperately needs. With no Amadeus to take charge after Malicia gets got (which is an absolute necessity that I’ll be happy to elaborate on if anybody wants), the *best* case scenario is another High Lord/Lady Triumphant-wannabe type takes over and drags Praes back into the bad old days of Impractical Evil that made them a permanent bane to both all their neighbors (very especially Cat’s own Callow) and to their own people. The worst-case and frankly more likely scenario would be that the former Dread Empire of Praes descends into a bloody mess that would look something like the Syrian civil war if everybody in the Middle East knew how to summon demons.

        Tl;dr – Yes, Cat has a sentimental attachment to Amadeus. But getting him back would be pretty much an absolute necessity even from a pure geopolitical analysis of the situation with zero sentiment involved from anybody – and that’s not even touching on how pretty much all the Legions and a *large* percentage of the Army of Callow (including pretty much all the orcs up to and including the Marshal of Callow) have an attachment to Amadeus that is as strong if not stronger than their attachment to Cat.

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        1. Insanenoodlyguy

          That last bit especially. Even if Amadeus survives but is is never directly helpful to Cat again (Highly unlikely), This becomes the time that the Carrion Lord’s heir saved him when for once he couldn’t save himself. Most consider her to be his heir. This will make it undisputed fact. Which is pretty important if and when Praes has to be dealt with if most of it’s standing army assumes by default when the order comes in to fight Callow that they are going to fight FOR Callow.

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      1. Insanenoodlyguy

        I believe she’s said already that Saint will have to die, because she understands Saint. There is no version of this where both of them live, Saint is going to force the issue till she wins or she dies.

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        1. Cat has Saint marked as “super most likely can’t avoid a kill or get killed scenario”, not someone she actively wants dead (like she did Akua). If a path opens where they both survive, all else being equal, Cat’ll take it.

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          1. Insanenoodlyguy

            Absolutely, but that requires Saint to have anything other than a “I die or you do” approach. All signs point to her not being able to let this go… she barely did when it wasn’t personal and now it is.

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            1. Cicero

              All very true, but Cat might be willing to take a practical evil approach, and kill the Saint after she kills the Dead King.

              Maybe. Hopefully.

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    1. Getting Amadeus explicitly and openly backing her against Malicia is an insta-win of the low key civil war she’s been having there. Not only does that flip the Legions (and activate Malicia’s failsafes there, sure, but that won’t help her long-term), it also grants her the Calamities – and Scribe’s entire web of informants with them, – Grem’s compliance (and with him the Clans), Sacker’s legion as well, and Malicia herself would not make any attempt on his life.

      The only fractions in Praes whose loyalty Amadeus doesn’t command are goblins (who are already allied with Catherine independently) and High Lords, who can’t band together even in the face of certain annihilation. Which is coming.

      Amadeus is a ridiculously influential political player, even though he doesn’t seem to realize the extent of it himself (he missed a couple of candidates when counting who he could be bait for). Catherine needs to at least make visible moves towards rescuing him to keep the loyalty of her current allies, too, much like how Juniper did not doubt they’d be rescuing Grem. Her authority over the Praesi core of her Army of Callow is derived from his, too, she’s “Carrion Lord’s apprentice” to them.

      His expertise as a storyweaver is pretty much lost in the noise compared to all of THAT, but Cat’s having a notable dearth of competent commanders, as well.

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      1. Insanenoodlyguy

        It suddenly occurs to me that the sort of irony stories love could happen here. Emperor Benevolent or whatever he is going to become rises, and since he has very little interest in killing his best friend after having lost so many of the people he cares about, there’s really only one thing to do with her: and so at last a name is restored, as Chancellor Alaya comes into being, a living testament to her own failure to destroy it completely. Like her former Black Knight, she then spends a lot of time taking the name in an entirely new and unexpected direction.

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  13. ByVectron!

    I was honestly giddy with excitement, reading the Saints introduction to Rumena. So very, very well written and staged, Cat truly knows how to craft a story.

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  14. Ben Serreau-Raskin

    I’m loving that all of Cat’s sparring with the Grey Pilgrim boils down to King of the Hill on the moral high ground. Obviously he’s trying to maneuver her into a story that kills her, but his step one seems to be ‘make sure she’s in the wrong and then let the Narrative take it’s course’ and all of her ripostes have boiled down to ‘no actually I’m in the right so I win’. It’s been by the skin of her teeth a couple of times but it’s also been consistent. All of their previous negotiations end up with her at essentially moral parity with her opponents, despite them being the agrressors, but here she managed to end up unambiguously in the right despite commanding by my count three /separate/ invading forces in a kingdom already defending itself from an existential threat. Pretty impressive for an orphan brat from Laure.

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    1. I’m not sure that Grey is trying to kill her actually. Cat’s reasoning wrt that back during Northern Crusade negotiations was “he’s trying to maneuver me into a redemption story, redemption stories often end in death, therefore he doesn’t mind me dying” – which is weak reasoning already, and turning it into “he is deliberately trying to get me killed” is outright paranoia. Which she was entitled to under the circumstances, but that doesn’t mean we should take her words as gospel.

      We know that Tariq is sympathetic to her to at least some degree. He’s trying to kill her only if and to the degree that he considers the benefits of it to outweigh the costs (ah, utilitarianism).

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  15. BritishTeaLover

    “I couldn’t prove that Rumena had worked on its mastery of Chantant purely to be able to slag its opponents verbally, but I had very deep suspicions.”

    I’m starting to love Rumena more and more, they have a fantastically dry sense of humour.

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