Chapter 24: Theft

“Wisdom is a tower built of failure and rue.”
– Ashuran saying

It wasn’t even an hour before the Third Army’s banners hung above the hills that were now to my east instead of west.

“Like kicking an anthill,” Vivienne said, eyes gazing far ahead.

She wasn’t wrong. We were looking at the same thing, I thought, but my sight was better than hers. A sliver of Night had seen to that. General Abigail had grasped my meaning deeper than Id thought, it seemed. I’d told her to fly the Fourth Army’s banner as well as her own for a reason, namely to imply much greater numbers in the hills than there actually were. The Summerholm girl had gone a step further than what I’d instructed and thinned her lines to an almost reckless extent: from the perspective of the Alliance soldiers in the plains below, it must look like there were at least twenty thousand fresh soldiers anchoring our left flank. Actually fighting with lines so thin would be disastrous, but it was a calculated risk. Even if the enemy suddenly marched on her she should have just enough time to redeploy before the fight began.

“Hakram’s force will be revealed soon enough,” I said. “That ought to pressure them into a full withdrawal.”

“Wouldn’t it have been quicker to send the entire host into the hills?” Vivienne asked.

Her tone was curious, not critical, and the expectation in her voice that she would be answered was almost as irritating as it was pleasing. Barely a quarter bell had passed since I’d chewed her out, and already she was back on old footing. I was glad of the confidence, I really was, and well aware it was petty of me to be irked that my displeasure hadn’t left deeper marks. But Vivienne had once called me petty when speaking to Akua, unaware I was listening in, and like a lot of what she’d said that night there’d been more than a grain of truth to it.

“It would have,” I agreed. “On the other hand, it also risked a standoff. They’d have been left to mass their entire army largely in peace, and we to establish a common line facing them. Two large coalition armies looking at each other over a fence, hands on swords. A lit sharper if I ever saw one. No, I want them to retreat. To give us space.”

And the flanking manoeuvre by General Rumena and General Bagram, under the steady hand of Adjutant, should do the trick. When I’d been up in the sky riding Zombie, I’d had a decent look at the enemy forces on the march as well as those already fighting. The western army – the mixed Dominion and Procer force that Princess Rozala was part of – had been marching on Juniper form the north, which had logistical implications. Iserre had been stripped bare of anything edible, which meant Malanza and her allies were running on what supplies they could either carry with them or get flowing from further north. Given the size of the western army, which at a glance I’d put at more than sixty thousand strong, without a steady flow of foodstuffs they’d start burning through their stocks at a prodigious rate. The amount of men might have been manageable, but the horses? I very much doubted they could afford to keep that many war horses for long without fresh supplies coming in. Besides, the northern campaign had taught me much of how Procer handled it supply trains. In a word, badly. It came from the way their armies were put together, in my opinion, more than any inferiority of intellect compared to the architects of the Reforms in Praes.

Instead of a unified army directly under the Tower – or, these days, me – Proceran forces were raised from the personal troops of rulers, hired fantassins and mass levies. The personal troops were trained, equipped and fed by the prince who fielded them, which was a costly thing even in peace time. That meant, as a rule, that princes and princesses of Procer had kept personal armies around the same size as those of the Old Kingdom’s nobles while being both significantly richer and ruling lands both larger and more heavily populated. Proceran logistics, as they currently stood, were well-versed in keeping forces that size fed and well-equipped. The rub came when the armies grew larger, which meant bringing in fantassins or levies. The mercenary companies were usually only hired for as long as they were needed then cut loose, meaning there’d never been a need to develop a system to feed larger forces for long. As for the levies, well, like everywhere else in the world they were handed the bare minimum in food and arms before being sent into the grinder. Those larger armies were usually fighting on enemy territory, too, where ‘foraging’ – a pretty word for armed robbery – could be used to fill up the stocks.

In this particular case though, the western army was stuck in a principality already picked clean and a whole chunk of foreign Levantine troops whose personal supplies had to be running dangerously low after chasing Grem and Juniper for so long. When Hakram appeared further north with a large force, threatening to cut off their supply lines, they’d be forced to either prepare for battle or withdraw. Considering we’d have them both half-encircled and severely outnumbered, battle would not be an attractive choice. Unless heroes were involved, I thought. Which they very well might be. For all the earthly considerations pointing at why fighting us here would be a terrible idea, there was a reason I’d ordered Juniper to prepare for a fight.

“Diplomacy, then,” Vivienne said, breaking my long silence.

“In a manner of speaking,” I grunted. “Princess Rozala made it clear her side wants the heads of the Legions on spikes. That’s not happening, so I’ll be removing the issue from the table: come nightfall, if they’ve withdrawn then our entire coalition is gating out of here.”

“Tactical offence, to allow for a strategic defence,” she mused.

She half-turned to me, the azure blue cloak she’d donned when leaving the pavilion tight around her shoulders.

“And you’re not afraid without the blade at their throat they won’t consider bargaining?” Vivienne asked. “The truce offer I extended to Hasenbach was refused even when it looked like we had the advantage in Iserre.”

“I think with us reappearing somewhere in Arans, with supplied coming in through the northern passage and a comfortably defensible position, the First Prince will have to consider how far she can afford to push us,” I frankly said. “More importantly, with us gone and the two Grand Alliance armies in Iserre within a week’s march of each other the League is either going to retreat or take a beating.”

“Both would be dangerous to Procer,” Vivienne noted. “A retreat means they have to keep armies south to pursue. A victory on the field might prove more costly than the war to the north can afford.”

“If Kairos intended to collapse Procer, he would have already done it,” I said. “He wouldn’t have come through the Waning Woods, either. The League armies would have battered through Hasenbach’s border army in Tenerife and begun occupying southern principalities. Feasibly they could have occupied Tenerife and Salamans without getting much more of a fight, then dug in for the long term. After that…”

“All it’d take was raids into the bordering principalities for those royals to try withdrawing their troops from the north and march back to defend their lands,” Vivienne softly agreed. “If Hasenbach tried to go after them through the Highest Assembly, it might lead to civil war. If she did nothing, the Dead King would likely eat the north.”

“Instead he surprised us all and marched out of the Waning Woods to cut into this dance,” I said. “No, he’s after something from the mess in Iserre and it’s not hammering nails in the Principate’s coffin.”

“It would not be territorial concessions, or anything monetary,” Vivienne frowned. “There would have been better, easier ways to force those.”

“He’s a villain of the old breed,” I said. “Ink on parchment isn’t what he’s after. I met with him, in Rochelant, and he hinted Hasenbach has been dredging something dangerous out of Lake Artoise.”

“He is a liar, as you reminded me rather sharply,” she said.

I’d not been pleased to hear she’d been trading information with Kairos, to say the last. It was one thing to do what I had, haggle an alliance of convenience against the Wandering Bard after trading secrets. It was another entirely to pass him detailed assessments of the Dominion’s armies, even if the payment was useful word out of Salia and the north. While I’d understood that the Jacks were still too young an organization to have penetrated deep into Procer, and certainly to have a way to pass along regular reports given the mess the Principate was in right now, relying on the Tyrant for anything meant you were getting played. If I had to guess, he’d making little deals like that with everyone he could: offering piece for piece, and ensuring he alone had a bird’s eye view of what was taking place in Iserre. I was finding it worrisome Kairos had been interested in details about the Dominion armies, too. It could be another layer of deception, sure, but it might also mean he believed he would be fighting them in the future. Or that he was selling that information to the Dead King, I acknowledged with a grimace. There weren’t a lot of things I’d put past Kairos Theodosian.

“Oh, there’s something happening there,” I said. “That much I don’t doubt. But I don’t necessarily think it’s whatever trouble she’s brewing that interests him. Or even her in particular, to be honest – this campaign, the First Prince herself, I think they’re means to an end.”

“That end being?” Vivienne asked.

“I don’t know yet,” I admitted. “But if he’s willing to launch an entire invasion in the middle of war against Keter just to get leverage on Cordelia Hasenbach, it’s not going to be a trifle.”

“The man needs to die,” Vivienne said. “The Hierarch as well. They’re too unpredictable, Catherine. If they start swinging at the wrong moment, the consequences could be… wide-reaching, to say the least.”

“I’m sure Cordelia thinks the same thing,” I said. “And that’s why he’s made himself so very costly to remove from the board.”

Strategic offence, I thought with rueful amusement, paired with tactical defence. Mad or not, I had to concede that the villain king of Helike was viciously cunning. The more the western and eastern coalitions fought without him being involved, the more reluctant they grew to engage his fresher forces. The only way out of that downwards spiral, as far as I could see, was to withdraw my forces from Iserre and let him face the storm he’d stirred without my standing shield for him. In the distance I could see Malanza’s vanguard fully withdrawing from the battlefield. Even the Levantine horse that’d baited the Order of Broken Bells into chasing them all the way to irrelevance had pulled away, and now Grandmaster Talbot’s knights were sheepishly riding back to camp. I’d let Juniper handle the reprimand for that, I decided. It had been her battle, even if she’d been losing it. It’d also make it clear to the high officers that she still held command even after my taking her to task.

“You haven’t asked,” Vivienne suddenly said.

“Asked what?” I replied.

“If I still have a Name,” she said.

I glanced at her.

“I know you don’t,” I said. “Yours had a subtle weight, but even that is gone.”

“Then you haven’t asked why,” she said, then blue-grey eyes narrowed. “Unless Adjutant told you.”

“He didn’t,” I told her. “Or even explain why someone’s going to end up calling him Hakram Handless, for that matter.”

“And you’re not worried in the slightest?” Vivienne asked, tone inscrutable. “Gods, even just curious?”

“It’s a strange horse to ride, a Name,” I said. “Black said it was willpower that got you on the saddle, and I don’t entirely disagree with him, but I think that’s only part of it.”

I looked into the distance, at the Alliance host retreating into the second part of the trap I’d laid. It was a kindness that was due, not to look at her while speaking this.

“It’s a recognition that you’re trying to do something,” I said. “William wanted to kill his way out of Praesi rule. Akua wanted to bind everyone else. Indrani wants to pass through life unhindered. Whatever it is you’re after the Name makes you better at doing it, I won’t argue that. But you don’t get a Name unless you’re already good at it, Vivienne.”

I cleared my throat.

“So I’ll answer the question you didn’t ask: no, you’re not getting tossed out on your ass because you can’t steal the sun anymore. That’s a trick. The important parts came before you were the Thief, and that hasn’t gone anywhere.”

Vivienne let out a shuddering breath.

“How is it,” she quietly said, “that you always know exactly the right thing to say?”

The urge was there to pull away with levity, draw attention to my admittedly chequered diplomatic record, but I didn’t follow it. It would have been cheapening the sincerity of the moment, and wouldn’t that defeat the point of having it in the first place? So instead I said nothing, for lack of anything to say, and let silence stretch.

“The Empire killed my mother,” she murmured. “Did you know that?”

My fingers clenched.

“Not for sure,” I said. “But I suspected.”

The moment I’d learned her last name was Dartwick, looking into her past had become a great deal easier. Out of courtesy I’d not dug too deep, but I’d had a look anyway. Her father had been a baron before the Conquest, vassal to the Count of Southpool but her family had remained rather obscure in the years that followed. There’d been a bit of interest in her father after he was widowed, before the man made it clear he would not remarry, but it’d died down quick after he did. That’d gotten me curious enough to look into the mother, and my brow had risen when I found out she’d died in a hunting accident not long after the Conquest. It could have been an actual accident, I knew. But in the early days of Praesi occupation, more than a few Imperial governors had arranged ‘hunting accidents’ when they were inclined to discretely put down rebellious elements.

“I say the Empire, Catherine, because it makes no difference who gave the order,” Vivienne admitted. “The decision came from Governor Chuma, though he’s long dead. Some might say it was in truth her fault, for joining a rebel cabal. That she knew the risks. Others might argue that whatever hired hand did it was the killer in every sense. But it’s never quite that simple, is it?”

I stayed silent. The question had not been meant for me to answer.

“I think I understood that even as a child,” Vivienne pensively said. “That is was larger than just my mother and the governor. That it was about Praes, what it was doing to us. The way it was doing it to us. Chuma, you see, he was one of the light-handed governors. Didn’t hang whole families, only the rebels themselves. The rest got off with a fine.”

Different Imperial governors, I thought, had taught us different lessons. Vivienne had been taught that we were cattle, to be sheared when laden and beaten when unruly. Less than human, in the Empire’s eyes, but not to be hurt without reason. Mazus, though, Mazus had not been interested in such a civilized arrangement. He’d been a looter in silk clothes, a noble in nothing but the ugliest ways that word could be meant. From him I’d learned that no one in power would ever be fair unless you made them. Vivienne had tried to claw back some pride with her thefts. I’d tried to murder my way into authority with a sword.

“I started stealing to even the scales, though I knew coin would never be the right measure for that,” she said. “I kept stealing because they deserved it. Because every time I took from them they got a taste of loss. Of what they were doing to all of us.”

“And then they warned you off,” I said.

“Assassin,” she acknowledged. “A small cut on my father’s throat, and I stayed my hand. But he’d passed when William raised the banner and the anger was still in my stomach.”

“And it isn’t anymore?” I quietly asked.

“You killed him,” Vivienne said, evading the question. “But what did that change? They’d been killing us for years before I was ever born. Truth be told I think it was Laure that did it.”

“When we spoke,” I said. “In the palace.”

“It wasn’t the words, Catherine,” she said. “You can have a silver tongue, now and then, but I did not trust you an inch back then. It was how tired you were. I’d seen you go from victory to victory, but that night you didn’t act like you were winning.”

“I wasn’t,” I frankly said. “And there were greater disasters on the horizon.”

“You were fighting for Callow,” Vivienne acknowledged. “But that was the detail that took me so long time to understand even after joining. We weren’t talking about the same thing when using that word. Because for you it also meant the Fifteenth. It mean the goblin tribe in Marchford. It meant everyone willing to live under the laws, to pay their taxes and stand on the wall when the horn sounds.”

“They are Callowans, Vivienne,” I said. “I won’t ignore what was the best of us, in the old days, but we can’t just-”

She raised her hand to interrupt me.

“I know,” she said. “I know, Catherine. And that’s what killed it. Because I would look at Hakram, at Masego and Ratface and especially the goblins and I would wait for them to be the enemy. Because they’d always been, because that was what the Conquest meant. But then they kept faith, Cat. They died, and they died for you but not just that. Also because they were serving something they believed in. And that scared me, because if they weren’t the enemy then what had I been fighting all these years?”

The Tower, I wanted to say. The High Lords. What made all of us this way, heroes and villains and the ever-spreading graveyard between. But this wasn’t my moment, it was hers, and so I kept to silence once more.

“My Name was already thinning by then,” Vivienne said. “Sometimes it wouldn’t work as it used to. Sometimes I couldn’t feel it at all. And when my hair began to grow again, I was terrified. Because if I wasn’t even the Thief anymore, then what use was I?”

I saw her fingers clench.

“I nearly did some very foolish things,” she said. “But Hakram cut off his hand, and if nothing else that stayed mine. And it forced me to see, Catherine, because in the months following that night I did the most good for my homeland I ever have and not a single speck of it involved theft.”

She let out a breathless laugh, though it was more mockery of herself than mirth.

“I wasn’t angry anymore, Cat,” she said. “Or at least, not at the same people or for the same reasons. Mostly I was afraid. And the more I tried to pretend I was still fifteen and collecting my mother’s dues from something that no longer existed, the more I missed the point: that I was a child, when I became the Thief, and it was a child’s anger I was still heeding.”

I watched her and found regret painted on her face, though a soft and thoughtful manner of it.

“But you weren’t a child anymore,” I said.

“And so I was no longer the Thief,” Vivienne softly agreed. “Because I’ve learned that just taking from the enemy won’t change anything. That we’ll need more than that, to change the world, and that’s what I want to do most of all.”

And so the Name had died, I thought, along with the indignation that’d birthed it. It might be that something else would come of that, but she would never again be the Thief. The girl who had become her no longer existed: she’d been outgrown by the woman standing at my side. Vivienne Dartwick’s eyes were clear, I saw, and her back straight. In the afternoon’s light, cloaked in blue and hair braided like a fair crown, she seemed almost regal. I hoped, truly, that no Name came of this. The Liesse Accords, as written, would bar any and all Named from being rulers. And it was early days yet, I knew that, and it was not a decision to be made in haste.

But Vivienne Dartwick had just talked herself into being the foremost heiress-candidate to the throne of Callow.

90 thoughts on “Chapter 24: Theft

    1. naturalnuke

      I’m, glad, I think. It’s a nice change for her, a good change, she’s been riding that hate since we first saw her, and it’s nice to see those jagged edges break off somewhat.

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  1. Skaddx

    SMFH…instead of real argument between Cat and VIv in the last chapter we got this…boring.

    Lets get to the combat that maybe that can salvage this arc. Tyrant and Hierarch meeting was good but besides that. I have been quite bored.

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    1. magesbe

      Wait, you thought that Cat and Viv’s off-screen debate last chapter… was an argument? That wasn’t an argument. That was a lecture. This was a debate, something I feel is much more interesting, and we got to learn more about Names in the process.

      Frankly I found this to be one of the most interesting conversations in book 5.

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    2. naturalnuke

      We’ll get back to people throwing giant beams of energy soon enough don’t you worry.

      I for one really enjoyed this chapter, nice read while I sit here drinking coffee, time to contemplate it all.

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    3. ReaverOf

      It’s funny because it’s my favorite arc by far. Killing and winning is easy un tjis world, it’s almost cheap, but reading how the characters are living and growing in the aftermath of those bloodbaths is the real challenge that makes me hooked on this story.

      I was longing for Vivienne’s feelings after the hand moment and this chapter is gold for me.

      To each it’s own I guess.

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    4. Vortex

      To each their own I guess. I appreciate character growth and insight more than I do yet another inconclusive battle where zombies and explosions carry the day.

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    5. Baron

      I, for one, am grateful for the breather.

      I know it sort of sucks to be excited for the next big fight, and what you get that week is a bunch of people talking.

      Setting aside the fact that “a bunch of people talking” is my jam, what I think a lot of people miss in a serialized format like this is just how fucking fantastic ErraticErrata’s *pacing* is.

      Do you remember the first time you read this series, when you were reading at length? For me, there were times when the buildup to a moment was so well executed, I was reduced to tears of awe when the payoff hit. Hakram’s first **Stand** comes to mind.

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    6. I do not understand the people who comment “booooring, get back to the fighting” every time people talk.

      Like, do you not understand the point of this story? The very thing they were talking about in this very chapter, that endless violence alone even in victory does not lead to success? Are you not here for the story, just the spectacle?

      And if you are, I mean, okay, you’ve got just as much right to read and enjoy this story anyone else. But could you maybe extend some consideration to the people who are actually enjoying the story for the *story* and the characterization within, and let the rest of us enjoy these thoughtful, intimate moments in peace? Sure it’s not your preference, but it is many people’s preference and the author’s preference, so maybe don’t leave demotivating comments in response to something that is objectively good writing but just not your thing. That’s the respectful thing to do.

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    7. I find it hilarious that no matter what EE does, there’s someone in the comments dissing it. Big battle scene, someone’s all “yeah yeah she kicks ass, but where’s the character development”. Then when he turns to character development, someone else says “boooring, I wanna see’em fight!”

      Fortunately, EE does provide quite a variety in different chapters. And he does seem to understand the old truism “you can’t please everybody, so you’ll just have to please yourself”.

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    8. Thief of Words

      Wow, you just have no decent taste whatsoever. God’s below forbid we have ACTUAL CHARACTER GROWTH, instead of hollow spectacle.

      Solid breather and growth measurentry chapter, EE. Keep up the good work.

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  2. danh3107

    Oh boy something we already suspected is confirmed, amazing. Double OH BOY when we learn ONE provision of the accords we still know nothing about.

    Guess I’m waiting for the next chapter.

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  3. Called it last time. Cat wants Viv to replace her.

    And we learned something new about what the Accords contain.

    Since this seems like a strong candidate to be the Prince’s Graveyard, or whatever it was called, I’m forced to wonder … if it’s a literal graveyard, what possessed them to be quite so stupid to continue fighting … or is it more of a metaphorical graveyard – Malanza and company deciding not to attack despite the consequences preordained for them for not pressing the attack against the Legions and the Army of Callow by the Assembly.

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    1. The reason there is imo a 80% a fight will break out is the one Cat gave: A Hero. If you will recall when Malanza got to that location where they had a meeting the Pilgrim is there and we know the Pilgrim can close gates. So even if they back off when the Fourth Army appears the plan to gate out at night will fail because of the Pilgrim. Oh and btw technically the Pilgrim is also a Prince and would probably be the +1 in Cats oath. Imagine the shock that would bring to the Bard and that idiot Saint if Cat plants him.

      Here is something to consider. Is it a coincidence that the 2 villains that have beat the Bard recently just so happen to be in Procer at the time when the Bard has basically usurped Hasenbach’s reign, country and crusade. Remember that the Bard admitted Kairos beat her but hastily skip over the fact she lost to Cat when talking to the Dead King, because you know of course she planned that Cat would deliberately let her head be cutoff just to come back and kill her chosen tool, beat her rival and basically bully the Heavens.

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          1. But more specifically: IIRC, the first time Cat went through Arcadia, she didn’t encounter any fae, let alone opposition. Each successive trip, she found herself closer to fae and their dwellings, until they were starting to block her way. In the course of the deal with King Winter and Queen Summer, she bargained for free passage, after which she stopped running into fae again, she could even take armies through.

            Now her latest gate gets an exit right at the peak of an actual castle. Which suggests that something is going awry with her deal. Possibly to do with yes, there’s no more Winter and Summer courts… and that’s who she made her deals with.

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            1. Actually no her deal isn’t with one or even both of the courts, she struck after the courts combined and with the Queen of Arcadia:

              “The matter of boons remains,” the Queen of Arcadia said, and the eyes she turned on me were burning. “Promises must be kept.”

              I stood before two gods and did not kneel. I would not, in this moment, pretend this was anything but my win. That I’d bled thousands on the field, caused the death of men dear to me for anything less but utter victory.

              “Upon the granting, you will have discharged your duty to me,” the King said. “And so will have earned the return of your heart. What do you request of us, Duchess of Moonless Nights?”

              “Of you, I request release from vassalage forevermore,” I told the fae.

              “I am most saddened to grant this,” the dark-skinned king said.

              He did not seem surprised. I turned my eyes to the queen. I would have to tread carefully, here. If I fumbled the phrasing, she’d do her best to fuck me over. The temptations lay in the back of my mind, beckoning sweetly. To go back on my deal with the Empress and request that the whole of Arcadia come together to kill Diabolist. But she’s not wrong. They’ll wreck the entire central plains to do it, and we’d be risking some fae influence remaining. And there was another, young but no less demanding for it. I could ask them to heal Nauk. It would be a trifle, to them. But there might be other means to save my legate. And I would never get this chance again. A heroine, I thought, would have made the right choice. The only justifiable one. But I was not a heroine, and justifications only mattered to the just.

              I spoke, and betrayed a man I called my friend.

              “Of you I ask permanent right of passage through Arcadia for me and all I command, uncontested and unhindered,” I said, voice hollow.

              “I grant you this,” the Queen replied curtly.

              Book 3 Chapter 45: Falling Action

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              1. So, it’s permanent, and it shouldn’t matter that Cat’s no longer a fae. But the phrasing there… “All I command”. Could that be why the gates went wrong while she was away in the Everdark?

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                1. Imo…nope. What I think it is. is something more foundational to Arcadia. If we recall back to the beginning of that whole arc there was FOUR courts not just two, however only two were ever in existence at one time. The way it worked was that Summer and Winter would always end up in war and in the end Summer would win. With Summer’s victory they would then give way to Autumn and Winter to Spring. This was the story that Cat interrupted having Winter defeat Summer and force those two courts into one. Now the question becomes what happens to the other 2 courts and the Fae that make them up. Remember the Fae do not die like mortals, they come back whole and hearty when their court comes back, hence how every time Winter came around the Prince of Nightfall got a visit from Ranger for an eye (Dude must really have screwed the pooch). So where are the Fae that make up the Autumn and Spring courts? Would they even come back now since the story is broken or does it not matter which side wins they come anyway after a loser? While pondering that remember that barging with Fae usually ends up with you getting screwed. If the Autumn/Spring courts would still come about no matter which side won then Cats agreement with the Queen wouldn’t apply because she is not there anymore. With this in mind go back and re read that section and pay attention to the surroundings.

                  banners of neither Court I had known raised tall over pale walls

                  When she plunges through the gate to Arcadia she comments the Summer Sun is beating down, but is it really the Summer Sun? Why should Summer hold sway with the merger? Especially since outside of the Queen herself there was only 1 or 2 Summer nobles still alive and her entire army crushed by Cat. Or would it really be the Sun of early Autumn on a day we call Indian summer?

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    2. Hardric62

      The answer is simple, the Grey Hypocrite is hovering amongst the Dominion armies like a NKVD Commissar making sure the Frontovikis go to die.
      Between ignoring Cordelia’s demands that Black be killed ASAP, and his links with the Saint of Bitches, I’d say he’s at the very least indefferent or at worst passively agreeing with her notion that Procer needs to burn to the ground so the survivors can rebuild a ””worthy”” nation, free from the rot of old. Pretty sure Marzala would be elated of knowing that.
      And even if Dominions armies don’t know that last one, Grey Hypocrite’s word will be law to them, and frankly, these hypocrites don’t give a rat’s ass about Procer themselves. Let them be Dead King fodder while we play our own intrigues while bitching about their own.

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      1. The thing is, SoS, Bard &c. have made one very large and completely unwarranted assumption: They are presuming that if Procer gets wiped out, they can build a new nation on the ashes, a better one, devoted to the cause of Good. As opposed to, say, a puppet state of Praes, or some new provinces for Callow, or a body farm for the Dead King.

        Amadeus(*) and Cat have already won Callow, which was more devoted to Good than Procer. With Callow now on the other side, how many Good nations remain? How many are strong enough to step up and turn around a war that Procer lost?

        (*) Given he’s apparently lost his Name, we should probably quit referring to him as “Black”

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        1. Imo that whole assumption of Bard’s (Saint is a patsy that just thinks she is in charge, just like the Lone Swordsman) doesn’t take into account that Cat, who beat her once already is now the one calling the shots against her and was able to cause the complete overhaul of Arcadia which is supposed to be a reflection of how Creation works. Cat in a way is the Bard’s nemesis because she is practically Chaos incarnate, you can’t plan against her and that is what Bard is a planner. The Bard makes long range plans and against someone like Black, another planner, she wins because of her greater experience. Against Cat the Bard is going to learn, once again, that old Praesi saying:

          “Any plan with more than four steps is not a plan, it is wishful thinking.”

          Dread Empress Maleficent II

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      1. It’s possible because Cat want to save the lives of the fighting men to use against the Dead King and whatever will happen looks like to set at night when the Drow are at their peak. The interesting thing is that Cat in prior chapters has shown more interest in getting Pilgrim to side with her than actually killing him, however this is probably the best chance ever for him getting killed since he has zero knowledge of what the Drow can do.

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  4. ATLRoyal

    Honestly, Vivienne just redeemed herself in my eyes, as one of the Woe. I’ve had an image of them, as I read this story, that each and every one was unique, a different approach and a different past to make them more than a number.

    When I heard Vivienne lost her name, I was disappointed. After all, she was practically worthless before, with the only proper combat aid she had done being the sun’s theft, and without a name, that left her even weaker. And while she was good at politics, it wasn’t much when Named rulers were everywhere.

    Now I’m just hoping she gets a sliver of the Night, or learns magic, or something so she won’t get killed by your everyday foot soldier in close combat.

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    1. Ehhhh. Viv is not and never has been a combatant.
      And now she’s effectively the political heir-apparent to the Crown of Callow.

      As a general rule, if a noncombatant who is also a high ranking political and governmental figure is in combat, something has gone terribly wrong.

      Plus, Cat appears to be moving away from what is more or less the status quo based on personal power towards a paradigm based on institutional power.

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  5. Xinci

    I do wonder why she doesnt want Named leaders. Though this does go with the vision so far, regulating different cultural bodies and getting fewer answers from their interactions. Still doing so will be truly…messy. Depending onnhow its dien rulers will be less obvious, Named less important in role, and cultures potentially gutted.

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    1. ninegardens

      Named leaders are bound by stories. Named leaders are generically beholden to either Good or Evil… and Named leaders have significant PERSONAL power.

      If she wants leaders to be a political/diplomatic office, then it makes sense that they are forced to play the game of balancing things, and are not permitted to have the power to push the political/military scales wherever the hells they want.

      The main thing here is that she appears to be effectively murdering a large number of names. (Tyrant? Empress? etc), which are defined by their rulership.

      … or maybe she is only insisiting that Callow have unNamed leaders, and hence acts as a Neutralish buffer zone between Procer and Praes.

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      1. Nah, pretty sure this IS her aiming to destroy a whole swath of Names the way Cordelia did Chancellor. People called this before; I didn’t believe it, because it seemed too absurdly large a move.

        Guess we’re doing this, though!

        …Cordelia is definitely getting a Name, isn’t she…

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  6. magesbe

    No Named rulers? Well, some places won’t care, like Procer. Levant hasn’t been led by a Named for awhile, I think. Callow used to be led by Named, but they were Named because they ruled, not ruled because they were Named, so not that bad. Praes? Praes will have to do a 180 for that to happen. Cat would have to do to Praes what the people who drove the Name Warlord out of the Orcs did, hopefully less actual slavery involved.

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    1. caoimhinh

      Yes, it seems too pretentious and even a bit idiotic for Catherine to intend to prohibit Named rulers, considering how many of those actually come into their Name when they are rulers and not the other way around, and there are very few ways to predict the acquisition of a Name (so far only the transitional ones that are disciples of stronger Names like Squire to Knight and Apprentice to Warlock, and the still unexplained way that Kairos forced Anaxares into his Name of Hierarch), there could be rulers who in the middle of their reign acquire a Name and would need to abdicate, while there are countries like Praes where you only rule if you have the ruling Name and only acquire that Name if you rule.
      So the practicality of its implementation is dubious at best. Well, it’s not like the Liesse Accords will actually be accepted and signed without any changes, there must be changed to them, even if Cat doesn’t want, otherwise it would not be a real agreement between nations.

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      1. konstantinvoncarstein

        Kairos made Anaxarès Hierarch by forcing all the cities of the League to elect him.

        I understand why Catherine want to forbid Named ruler, but it is impossible in practice, like you say. If one of them begin to be associated with national identity, that he becomes the symbole of the state (like the Kings and Queens of Callow), he will probably become a Name. I an pretty sure that if Vivienne become queen, she will receive a new Name.

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        1. caoimhinh

          No, he wasn’t elected. Anaxares became Hierarch while traveling around with Kairos. Then the delegates from each city came to recognze him and swear to obey him. You can see it in https://practicalguidetoevil.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/villainous-interlude-thunder/ He was forced to be a General of Helikean army, and entered into his Name when the Kanenas refused to execute him for the crimes he had committed according to Bellerophon’s laws.

          I agree with you on the rest. Cat even said in Book 1 that part of the reason the Fairfaxes has such a long dynasty was because ascending to the throne of Callow usually gave them Names, even when they were Princes it was very common to have that.

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          1. konstantinvoncarstein

            He became Hierarch after the kanemas judge he was valuable to Bellerophon, and he refuse it. Maybe it was his desire to change this that was the final straw for his transition?

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            1. caoimhinh

              Yep.
              But that doesn’t explain the process that came before, how Kairos knew about that, managed to know who would be the guy who would get the name, nor why the Name that Anaxares got was Hierarch since 1) that position wasn’t required to change Bellerophon’s laws and 2) As far as we have seen even now he hasn’t used his power for that. He wanted to die because that’s what the law said, but couldn’t because the Kanenas told him to not die, he got his Name and didn’t do anything with it, and actually refused the Name and fought against it and the Aspects yet they still came to him, which would strengthen my point that Cat pretending to ban Named rulers is unpractical and almost impossible since Name bestowal is out of their control.

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          2. I didn’t understand how Kairos made Anaxares into Hierarch for the longest time either, but then I saw somebody give an explanation in the comments that made total sense to me. I wish I could remember who said it and where so I could just reproduce or link it, but here’s my best go at recreating it instead.

            Essentially, Kairos leveraged the way that Names are built out of/arise out of stories to make Anaxares the Hierarch by crafting a story and casting Anaxares in the role that becomes Hierarch. You know how people in the story have commented that Kairos could have gotten himself elected Hierarch instead, what with winning the war and all? That’s the key. The story Kairos crafted is “villain launches a war of ambition, wins every battle and has the prize of power that he seeks almost within his grasp when at the last moment his most trusted lieutenant seizes the power for himself instead”. The prize of power was becoming Hierarch of the League, and he made that be Anaxares by casting him in the role of “most trusted lieutenant” – making him be a general in his army, constantly referring to him as “my friend” (I think notably in front of other Named, since it seems like story-logic pays more attention to what’s happening when there are Named in the room), that stuff basically.

            Hope that makes sense to you too!

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            1. I think that’s likely to be one aspect of it, but not the key one. The key one was much more mundane politicking, with Kairos convincing City after City that Anaxares would make a GREAT Hierarch, especially seeing how if he were elected, Kairos would stop warring them 🙂

              Oh, the actual formal election came later. But that was how I understood the scene with kanenas: Kairos managed to convince the People of the Glorious Republic of Bellerophon, long may she reign, that having one of their own be elected Hierarch would be awesome. Anaxares didn’t know about those preparations, but they were there, and the minute he displayed will to enforce his idea of what’s right upon the world, the Name snapped into place.

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              1. Mm, after tracking down the chapter where the Name snapped in I think you’re right that the bit with the kanenas was more key than I remembered it as being. But the extra chapter Hierarchy (https://practicalguidetoevil.wordpress.com/2018/01/31/hierarchy/) has this bit here from Anaxares’ POV:

                “The Gods had elected him before men ever spoke their piece, cursing him with a Name regardless of his desires. The Tyrant had been their instrument in this, and for that Anaxares was glad he had seen nothing of him since the night where Nicae fell.”

                So I don’t think the votes per se were what decided it; the politicking of it is at least treated as if it is a foregone conclusion, though tbf Atalante does get noted as giving up its vote to get Helike out of their city so that’s clearly Kairos twisting some arms there.

                I think it’s a combination of Kairos’ scheming with the kanenas and his storycrafting; as you said it’s when Anaxares “displayed will to enforce his idea of what’s right upon the world [that] the Name snapped into place” but it being the *specific* Name of Hierarch that he gained I think is down more to Kairos’ storycrafting than an election that hadn’t actually happened yet, with the nice fillip that the kanenas being involved instantly cuts the legs out from under Anaxares just refusing or suiciding his way out of it. For supporting evidence re: the storycrafting angle I’d also quote the section where Kairos, speaking of Bard, says ““She thinks I made you to kill me,” Kairos said.” Meaning that when Bard looked at Anaxares’ nascent Name she saw it coming into being through the “trusted lieutenant’s betrayal” aspect of things, or at least that’s how I’d take it.

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                1. > The Gods had elected him before men ever spoke their piece, cursing him with a Name regardless of his desires.

                  I see what you mean, but I don’t think it’s accurate / I don’t think that’s how it works. I mean, we have explicit confirmation in the kanenas scene that Kairos had been scheming behind Anaxares’s back about this, and I don’t think Names work like that. Fist you fill the Role, then the Name confirms it. And the Role of Hierarch is not “Kairos’s treacherous friend” (which wouldn’t have worked like that for another reason which I’ll also talk about below), it’s “the person all the Free Cities have agreed to put in charge.” The Name came before the formal vote, but the unanimous agreement also came before the formal vote, because Kairos knows what he’s doing in rigging elections.

                  > So I don’t think the votes per se were what decided it; the politicking of it is at least treated as if it is a foregone conclusion, though tbf Atalante does get noted as giving up its vote to get Helike out of their city so that’s clearly Kairos twisting some arms there.

                  The formally cast votes were a foregone conclusion because agreements were reached in advance, yes.

                  > but it being the *specific* Name of Hierarch that he gained I think is down more to Kairos’ storycrafting than an election that hadn’t actually happened yet

                  Catherine was ready to claim the Name of Black Queen before being actually crowned, too. Because she was already acting like one in practice, already called that, and ceremony’s just that: ceremony. It adds story weight, but doesn’t decide it.

                  The thing about storycrafting is, in my observation, it heavily rests on what is actually happening. Anaxares can’t be the treacherous scheming friend without doing any actual scheming or betraying, no matter how hilarious Kairos finds setting him up to look like one. The presentation matters, but the substance has to be there first. Catherine has talked about this recently in Cloaks:

                  > But it doesn’t, I thought. We’ve seen it, you and I. That when all there is holding up the choice is a story and the prediction of victory, the story fails. Because if all you do is pretend, go through the motions, then you’ve already lost what could have made it a victory in the first place.

                  Acting out a story is not about the theatre of it, as Dorian has painfully learned. As William has painfully learned. Theatre-wise, Catherine’s play at First Liesse was absurd: she was an undead abomination, killed by a hero and risen, engaged in a three way squabble over the prize. But substance wise, she’d just very literally given her life for her people (“one life for one hundred thousand? that’s a steal, by any account”), acting to protect them from destruction, with a very real claim to ruling the land about to be substantiated. Theatre-wise, Black was an evil invader conqueror, holding the land by force of arms on behalf of his Empress; substance-wise, he’d been personally taking care of it for decades, making all the decisions himself and acting as best he could to prevent abuse of what authority he gave over to the Praesi.

                  Storycrafting is about teasing out the patterns of what is actually going on. It doesn’t matter what it looks or sounds like, if you can retell the actual events and decisions in short in a way that fits the narrative, then the story works.

                  No events or decisions made along the way matched the hypothetical “Anaxares acts behind Kairos’s back” story. No matter what the theatre was, it was the other way around.

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                  1. “Acts behind Kairos’s back”, no. Actively intends to undermine and sabotage his efforts at every opportunity? Literally confirmed explicitly out loud by Anaxares himself, repeatedly. The fact that Kairos treated that like it was hilarious doesn’t change Anaxares’ total sincerity in that regard in the slightest.

                    I think we might be splitting hairs to a certain extent though; as I started off noting, Kairos actually winning the war is the concrete foundation that his storycrafting rests on. If there’s no real chance that he can’t make whoever he wants Hierarch, then that’s *at least* as solid a basis as actual agreements with everybody. If not in fact much more of a solid basis; who tf would negotiate with the Tyrant of Helike as if it was a good-faith negotiation? When you’re dealing with someone like that, you aren’t going to give promises that are worth any more than the ones you expect to receive.

                    In other words, I think we actually mostly agree that to make a story work you need a solid underpinning in reality (or *some* underpinning at least; Cat’s storycrafting in Skade was more about hoodwinking reality than basing anything off it and then making up the difference with murder). I just think that force and fear were the foundation Kairos built off of, not negotiations conducted with people he had just gone way out of his way to showcase himself as a violent bad-faith actor to.

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                    1. Yeah, we very much agree there. Skade was an exception because Arcadia is like that, Catherine herself has noted that storycrafting goes wild in there. She managed to win a fight she’d been hopelessly outclassed in literally -just- by goading her attacker into an evil monologue. Arcadia is not a good example of how story works in Calernia lmao

                      But yeah, force and fear were absolutely the basis of those negotiations. I’m not saying Anaxares was elected based on anything other than Kairos strongarming everyone into doing whatever he wants; in fact, that’s exactly my point. I don’t think it made a difference that Anaxares made a principle out of demonstrating his disloyalty to Kairos and that Kairos also played it up as far as it could go without actually doing him any damage. That was bells and whistles, and the engine was Kairos’s conquest, no more, no less.

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      2. Yeah, I think this is one point Cat will be forced to compromise on.

        Which, as you say, isn’t a bad thing. Other nations will need to have their say and feel like their concerns are addressed.

        The most important parts of the Accords are the restrictions on Named warfare and demonic or angelic interference.

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        1. caoimhinh

          Yeah. After all, Cat has mentioned that she doesn’t want Callowan culture to be lost, and forbidding Named rulers is exactly that, both for Callow and for other countries. Not to mention it’s likely impossible.
          Catherine herself almost got a ruling-type Name after ascending to the throne (although to me the explanation of why she didn’t is a bit dubious, since having the Artifact of Doom shouldn’t be determinant for her Name, but whatever).

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          1. It wasn’t about the artefact per se, but what was connected to it: Cat’s willingness to lean into the public perception of her. It was always a bit off from the real Cat, from the first moment she entered the public eye – the goblinfire debacle that’s still echoing with Abigail, and for good reason. The Black Queen, as the role is defined by people’s perception, is more ruthless, more cold, more detached than the real Cat. She would have started matching it, had she allowed Malicia to draw her into the WMD scheme. But instead her father did something none of them predicted, acting on his bone deep understanding that cold ruthless detachment is a very wrong road to go down (for all that he just had; feels like a sin, doesnt it? thanks, Bard). That not so much shocked Cat out of the mindset as curved the possible roads ahead of her to lead away from it. Our actions determine how we think as much as the other way around.

            The artefact was a pivot. No more, no less.

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    2. Other way around for Procer and Levant.

      Procer has never had a Named ruler and is light on Named in general.

      The ruling class of Levant is built around the descendents of Named, and they actually do claim Names at an unusually high rate.

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    3. I think you guys haven’t thought out the consequences to Creation if the division between the Gods goes away to reflect the lose of division in Arcadia. Remember way back when Masego told Cat about the nature of Arcadia was to be a reflection of Creation where the courts take the place of the Gods Above and Below and they live strictly by story. All that was broken forever when Cat beat the Summer Queen and she was force to marry the Winter King, there is no more courts and there is no more recurring story. Creation has worked the same way, there is an over arching story where in the end Good beats Evil and the Named are their instruments to make the story go on. What Black started was breaking the story and why his aspects were weak comparatively to Black Knights of the past, he wasn’t doing what the story villain was suppose to do and the further you get from the story based Role the weaker your name gets. So what happens if Cat succeeds a fulfills Blacks dreams in a way and there is no more Good/Evil (Take a look right now on what the “Good” Gods are attempting to do: Genocide) divide? The story ends and thus the Roles those Names rely on go with it.

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      1. “There is no more recurring story” is inaccurate. There is a new story that will grow to be recurring from now on, in the subsequent fae cycles.

        Good and Evil aren’t going anywhere, they’re baked into the very foundations of this world. But their struggle will take another form, and that’s what both Amadeus and Cat are after

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      2. konstantinvoncarstein

        Arcadia exist before Creation, and was a “bêta version” of it. The Gods are not influenced by what happen in Creation, Good and Evil will always exist.

        Furthermore, Creation does not contain only Calernia. There is many other continents, with their own stories, heroes and villains. The actions of Catherine will not (or barely) influence the world at large.

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  7. edrey

    its nice, vivi development was due but she need a name or she will end like a very nice secondary caracter, forgoten and all, and to be honest i think there would be only one country in the end of the novel, the republic of calernia, but let see what happen

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  8. SilverDargon

    huh, no named leaders? Is that really sustainable? I don’t mean that in the sense that you need named leaders for a good nation, but in the sense that if it goes on long enough, being the leader will be enough for a name.
    Could you imagine if 100 years down the line someone takes the throne of Callow and gets a name from it, and is then immediately barred from holding office? Wild.

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  9. Gunslinger

    There goes our hopes for Queen Abigail the Unwilling. Another reason Queen Vivienne would be a good choice is that she’d appease both the Oldbloods and institute progressive reforms.

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    1. Gunslinger

      Also if Praes is to be a part of the Liesse Accords it would also be the end of the Amadeus is Dread Emperor Benevolent theory. Unless Praes joined much later

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      1. konstantinvoncarstein

        The problem with Praes is that it is completely dependent on Named to stand. Without a Dread Emperor, Black Knight, etc, it would disappear in civil war. It would take a massive culling of the nobility, then the rule of a Dread Emperor who would have to mold organize Praes to be capable to stand without him. In short, he would have to change the very soul of Praes.

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          1. Death Knight

            Well with the aid of the Goblins, Grem and the Army of Callow they can feasibly kill all the nobles that don’t want to quit their shit like they’ve been promising since all the way back from book 2-3.

            This type of conquest is feasible for the following reasons:
            #1) All of Goblin kind would stand by Black, Grem and Cat in this endeavor.
            #2) Both Black and Grem are spoken of with reverance by the Orcs so all the Clans would unite under their banner. Grem may or may not become Warlord at this juncture.

            3) Malicia needs to die for what she did to Ratface and the other high ranking staff of Cat so Black has the support of the Army of Callow along with the Drow (at least the Losara Drow) and Cat herself. Not to mention Assassin is still around.

            4) If Cat plays her cards right, she might be able to count on the aid of the Pilgrim and even Hanno along with the Witch and the surviving members of Hanno’s band. If they make it through the scrap with the Dead King.

            Can you imagine that? The Witch of the Forrest, The Hierophant AND The Grey Pilgrim fighting side by side? Yeah, the Tower and the other Noble’s wards are in for a ROUGH but short day…

            Best part is since this is an Evil nation, there’s no Heroic bullshit to worry about. The only worry is that all Villains with significant story weight are due to leave the game by kicking over the board. Triumphant brought the Tower down on her killers’ heads and given the narrative weight she had I sincerely doubt many of the Heroes made it out alive from that.

            So with her last breath I think Malicia might just nuke Ater and the surrounding wasteland. But since The Pilgrim, Hierophant and The Witch is there they should be able to contain and mitigate the damage.

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            1. konstantinvoncarstein

              I agree, Malicia will not survive the story. But her last act will be spectacular 😃

              I only disagree concerning Ratface. Catherine kind of try to kill her (and would have without the puppets), and she only strike back. But she clearly deserves to die, if only for allowing Liesse.

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              1. God, the protagonist centered morality with “BUT RATFACE” is so annoying. Assassinating high ranking officials is perfectly in line with Malicia’s known methods, and Ratface and Anne Kendall both knew very well what kind of war they were signing on to fight. Malicia crossed a much bigger line allowing Second Liesse to happen. If Cat’s going to take anything personally, it’s that; god knows half of Malicia’s empire already has.

                Ratface isn’t even a blip on the radar. He was a combatant who willingly chose his side. Remember when Cat came to her officers with “so I just commited treason” in Book 3? She didn’t need to convince him.

                Malicia is more damned for a random average legionairy who died at Liesse than for personally Hasan Qara.

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    1. Gunslinger

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  10. Keldor

    I think the ‘no named rulers’ thing is to limit the influence of the gods to a minimum just like the ban of pacts with devils, demons AND angels.

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    1. As I read it, she wasn’t trying to ban all pacts with the demons, devils, and angels — that would be impractical anyway. She just wants to ban actually summoning them onto a battlefield.

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  11. burguulkodar

    Damn, I still want named people in this story. We’re getting less and less of them.

    Cat is now back to human, and is completely ok with going old and dying. Stupid. Same with Thief, and I thought she would become Regent or Queen or something, but nooo, she has to abandon her name and get old and die too. Fuckers.

    At least Indrani and Masego still keep the faith.

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