“What do you mean, they ‘went around the maze’? Do you have any idea how much it cost us to build that?”
– Dread Empress Malignant I
They weren’t even halfway through Brabant when Hasenbach’s envoys found them. For all that there were rumours of some strange disruption of scrying down south in Iserre, Princess Rozala Malanza noted that the First Prince’s clever mages had no such trouble outside of it – they would not have been so swiftly found otherwise. Not that they’d been trying to hide, but what did that matter when hundreds of thousands of desperate refugees were fleeing south from the armies of the Dead King? Reluctant as the Princess of Aequitan had been to strip so much as a single soldier from the defence of Cleves, there’d been no choice but to ride south with an escort of well-armed horsemen. The sea of people forced away by the advance of the dead were starving and terrified, and Rozala knew well that those with nothing to lose might be willing to take a chance on well-dressed and well-fed travellers. It would have been something of a farce for the three royals heading south to survive the horrors of the war in Cleves only to die to some starveling with frostbite and a hoe. Still, dark as the situation was in Brabant – and no mistake, it was nothing less than grim – it was pleasant dream compared to the war to the north.
Or perhaps it was the other way around, Rozala thought, stirring the contents her goblet with a thin copper rod. Perhaps it was the months she had spent fighting in Cleves that were the nightmare. Gritting her teeth, the dark-haired princess forced her hand to cease shaking and drank the full goblet of brandy tinged with poppy tea. It should calm her enough, she thought, that tonight she would not need to resort to a Hannoven drowse to fall asleep – namely, sleeping with her ear to the floor to be assured she would wake in time if the dead and the damned were digging up from below. The Gods were merciful enough that she had time to begin feeling the effects and put away her affairs before her bodyguard announced Louis. The Prince of Creusens looked as bone-tired as she felt, but he offered her a wan smile and sat by the shutters with her when invited. His eyes flicked to the half-open scroll left on the small table between them, too polite to be caught staring.
“So it was you they wanted,” Prince Louis Rohanon said.
There was no mistaking the broken seal of the First Prince, but instead of replying Rozala unfolded the scroll a little further and let her comrade glimpse the seal that went unbroken at the bottom of the text. The Highest Assembly’s. In time of war Cordelia Hasenbach’s word was law, in affairs military, but having her order seconded by a motion of the Assembly meant disobeying it would have Rozala legally committing treason. She’d be stripped of her title as Princess of Aequitan as well as her rights in the Highest Assembly without any recourse, the vote considered as having already been taken through the initial motion seconding the order. Louis’ eyes narrowed, and his shoulder twitched. The Prince of Creusens was not cut from warrior’s cloth: he was both shorter than her and thinly muscled, with delicate hands. Dark-haired and soft-cheeked, he looked more scholar than soldier. Yet he was also clever, of good sense, and perhaps one of few decent men wearing a crown she had met. The tragedy of his life had been inheriting a principality ravaged by the Great War and finding that the only man willing to loan him the coin to heal it was Amadis Milenan.
The scope of the debt was reputed to be massive, and Louis had admitted to her in confidence it was unlikely to be fully repaid in his lifetime. Amadis had offered to write off a part of the sum should Louis lead soldiers in his support during the Tenth Crusade, and once the horse had been hitched to the cart it had seen the Prince of Creusens dragged through horrors all the way up to Cleves. And back, now, but it seemed they were to walk into a different sort of danger. Louis’ shoulder twitched again, and he let out a frustrated breath. Giving in, the prince glanced quickly at the door to confirm it was closed and behind him to be certain there was no one between him and the wall. Three heartbeats after looking, his shoulder began twitching again. Rozala could not think less of him him for this – she’d not been in the bastion, when the ghouls had slipped through murder holes and begun slaughtering sleeping soldiers. Prince Louis Rohanon had been, and he was as uncomfortable without his back to the wall as she would be without skin touching the floor. It’d been the breach at Sautefort, for her.
No one had grasped until too late that the dead would not care about tunneling under water.
“I have been named to the supreme command of an army being assembled in Cantal,” Rozala said. “By the shores of Lake Artoise. Forty thousand soldiers, perhaps more.”
Louis’s eyes brightened.
“Reinforcements?” he asked.
“Not to Cleves,” she replied. “I’ve been ordered by Her Most Serene Highness to reinforce the Dominion’s armies and break the foreign armies in Iserre.”
“Praesi,” the Prince of Creusens bit out angrily. “Callowans. That’s not the war, Rozala.”
“The League as well,” the Princess of Aequitan reminded him.
“We should be making peace with all of them,” Louis said.
“I don’t disagree,” Rozala admitted. “But the seals are there, Louis.”
“Let’s see her enforce that, in the middle of the Dead King’s wroth,” he said. “Madness.”
Yet the truth was, Rozala knew, theat neither of them were all that popular at the moment. The attempt by Prince Amadis’ supporters – among which they both numbered – to force the Klaus Papenheim’s armies to chase after the Carrion Lord had been made known to all of Procer. It’d been framed, no doubt by Cordelia Hasenbach herself, as petty intrigue by the lot of them to attack the elected First Prince while she was sending her own kin to fight the Kingdom of the Dead. In the northern half Procer, save for Cleves where many of them had fought, they were not just a figure of mockery but villains outright despised. If they rebelled, and to refuse the First Prince’s order was exactly that, they would not find many allies. More than that, Rozala feared what even the smallest stir of civil war might do to the Principate at the juncture.
“I will go,” the Princess of Aequitan said. “Gods forgive me, but I will go. Adeline and Prince Gaspard should be able to hold for now.”
“Then I go with you,” Louis said.
She inclined her head, too thankful to words to properly convey it. Louis had not fought with his blade, in Cleves, but he had been her steward and seneschal. His ink and orders had been a thousand times more valuable than one more blade would have been.
“We ought to tell Arnaud as well,” the prince added. “Last I saw he was drinking himself into a stupor across the street, but he has an iron liver. Odds are he’s still awake.”
Rozala’s lips thinned. Prince Arnaud of Cantal was a rapist, perhaps worse, and an arrogant fool. There was no hiding from that. But none who’d been to Cleves, none of those who’d fought that endless tide of dead smashing against icy shores, would ever be the same again. And Arnaud Brogloise might be filth, but he was filth that’d held the fort at Langueroche alone with his retinue for three days and three nights. He’d fought on foot at the gates, and held long enough for a town of three thousand to flee south. Arnaud knew the stakes.
“Would you fetch him?” Rozala asked.
Louis nodded, poorly hiding his relief at no longer sitting with an unknown at his back. She’d have the table moved for when the three of them sat, the dark-haired princess decided, so he would not be afflicted again. She closed her eyes, for a moment, and felt like cursing. Fighting the Army of Callow or the Legions was not why the three of them had come south. Once upon a time they might have ridden south to scheme how to unseat Hasenbach, but since Cleves? No, not that. They’d come to exhaust their treasuries raising every company they could, contracting every fantassin and emptying every smithy in their lands before they rode back north. Rozala’s fingers clenched against the chair as she flinched at a sound that was not there. She was weeks away from the onslaught, now, and still she could hear the sounds in every silence.
The desperate screams of the dying as winged abominations spewed out fire and venom. The biting crackle of dark sorceries as they tore through steel and flesh. And that patient, relentless beat: forward, forward, always forward went the armies of the dead. Without pause or respite or the slightest speck of mercy. The levies and fantassins of Prince Gaspard of Cleves had died like flies in the face of the Enemy, even with Chosen holding the line at the capital’s port. When Rozala had arrived with the remains of the army salvaged from the Callowan debacle, she’d found the city of Cleves besieged by a sea of shambling darkness. Yet on the wall, a man had stood with a sword like the coming of dawn.
The White Knight had held the line until reinforcements came, defying all odds.
Three months Princess Rozala had shared command of the defence of Cleves with Prince Gaspard. Three months of an endless span of fresh horrors. Swarms of dead rats scuttling up through the sewers to devour wounded soldiers in their beds, rains of poison and acid, great abominations made from the bones of the thousands serving as moving siege towers that spewed out lesser dead over the walls. Three month of burning your comrades lest they rise again and turn on you, of battles that lasted through entire night and day for the dead simply never tired. But oh, they had taught the monsters the mettle of Procer.
They’d fought on rocky slopes and crawled through freezing mud, they’d sallied out in the howling winds and challenged the Dead King for every scrap of stone and snow. The White Knight and the Witch broke an entire fortress driving back a pack of dead Chosen, until their shore of the Tomb flew only the pennants of Procer. Thousands and thousands had perished for that, clawing at the dark in choking despair, but now along the shores of Cleves forts were being raised by the hands of bloodied veterans and smithies burned through the night to forge the swords that would be bared when the next wave came.
And the front in Cleves, Rozala well knew, had been the easiest.
At Twilight’s Pass the hosts of the Lycaonese had fought three battles in two days against the horde trying to force its way out of Hannoven. The same evening, soldiers said, had seen the coronation of three of the Reitzenberg: Prince Manfred of Bremen died of a poisoned arrow leading an assault to take back the furthest fortress of the pass, passing his crown to his eldest daughter and telling her to continue the charge unflinching before drenching himself in oil and taking up a torch. She’d passed it to her younger sister after losing half her torso to sorcery, and that sister in turn passed it to now-prince Otto Reitzenberg when she took a spear in the belly scaling the wall and fell thirty feet in armour.
The youngest of Manfred Reitzenberg’s children carried the charge to the end with that blood-soaked iron crown on his head, took back the fortress and held it for half a day before a dead Chosen brought down the walls and forced him to retreat further into the pass. This, Princess Rozala had been told, was the closest thing the Lycaonese had seen to a victory since they’d begun the fight. And still their people headed to Twilight’s Pass, streams and rivers of soldiers wearing old mail and iron-tipped spears. Through the ice and the winds they went to make the same old stand in that same old pass, as they had for centuries. The Princess of Aequitan had mocked these people for their brutishness and lack of manners, once upon a time, for their rough linens and bare-bone homes.
The shame of that remembrance burned her like acid.
In Hainaut, Princess Julienne Volignac lost the entire coast to the dead before the Iron Prince arrived to relieve her. Too long a coast, too few men to defend it and the craggy hills of northern Hainaut made it difficult to march large forces – or defend against many small forces, as the Dead King had sent. When Klaus Papenheim took command he fortified the outskirts of the crags and began clawing them back from the Enemy, battle by battle, but with the shores of the Tomb in enemy hands there was no end to the undead that could cross the lake. The city of Hainaut itself fell to a sudden offensive that broke through the defence lines two months in, and the Iron Prince was said to have taken a wound at the battle.
Princess Julienne herself died charging the dead with her personal guard of three thousand horsemen to buy the time for her people to flee the horde. Her sister Beatrice claimed the crown over the dead princess’ too-young sons and swore oath before the entire army that as long as single Volignac remained the Dead King would get nothing of Hainaut but ash and steel. The fight had soon turned desperate after the dead reached the flatlands, for they were harder to defend, but Prince Etienne of Brabant bankrupted himself arming every soul of fighting age in his principality and marched them north to ward off the collapse.
The north of the Principate was fighting for its right to exist with every bitter dawn, and she would not fail it. So Princess Rozala Malanza would hurry south and win the war they shouldn’t be fighting, so they could have a chance at winning the one they had no choice to fight.
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If even one other royal requested a private meeting with Princess Rozala Malanza only to reveal they’d been secretly corresponding with the Tyrant of Helike, she was going to send the head of everyone who had back to Salia in a basket. When she’d arrived to the sprawling camp by the shores of Lake Artoise, what the dark-haired princess had found there was enough to make her blood boil. The more than forty thousand soldiers, half levies and the rest principality troops, she much approved of. It was the royalty coming with the finer soldiers that had her furious. The First Prince, evidently, has tossed every single prince and princess she could find at the army in order to accrue the largest host possible.
The result was a labyrinth of intrigue and petty bickering: including Rozala herself and her two princely comrades from Cleves, there were no less than seven anointed rulers assembled in the camp. Hasenbach’s orders had preceded her so there was no contest of her command of the army, but what she encountered was much worse: one at a time, three fools sought her out to proudly inform her of their foolishness. Princess Leonor of Valencis, Princess Bertille of Lange, Prince Rodrigo of Orense. All of which had been trading information with Kairos Theodosian of Helike.
That Rodrigo Trastanes would number among them she’d took a personal insult, for the man was a political ally. He too was one of Amadis Milenan’s pack of open supporters, having turned on his benefactor the First Prince last year. The three who’d been dropped on the head enough to make a bargain with the Tyrant of Helike and approach her with the secret she’d stripped of command and sent Louis to keep an eye on, as her appointed second in the army. Rozala would not trust anyone who’d thought it clever to trade information on the location of the Dominion armies in exchange for the same on the Army of Callow and the allied Legions. Not with a command, not with a seat at her council, not with a fucking chamber pot.
That still left Princess Sophie of Lyonis, who the First Prince had quite openly sent there to ensure that Rozala did not take the army and march on Salia to depose her. The ruler of Lyonis was the First Prince’s creature body and soul, having murdered her own brother at the Battle of Aisne when he’d tried to betray Hasenbach. For that she’d been rewarded with the crown of Lyonis over her three elder siblings, and remained viciously loyal to the First Prince ever since. The sole comfort of this was that the woman was not incompetent, or a stranger to war. Rozala had no true choice about having Princess Sophie in her council, but she was proving of some use as the mouthpiece of Hasenbach and so recipient of the First Prince’s answers.
As in, for example, why it had become so difficult to obtain weaponry and armour in Procer these days.
“You’re certain the dwarves won’t sell even if we triple the standing price?” Princess Rozala pressed.
The fair-haired Princess of Lyonis shook her head.
“They won’t entertain any offer, regardless of the contents,” Princess Sophie said. “The First Prince has confirmed it. It was made understood to her that further insistence would be not be taken well.”
Rozala almost cursed. The unfortunate truth was that, beyond equipping their own personal troops and keeping an armory that’d provide for perhaps the same amount of armed levies, few Proceran royalty bothered to accumulate armaments. What point was there, when it was possible to hire already-armed fantassin companies instead? If the situation was truly dire for a princess, an order of armaments to the Kingdom Under would provide what was needed as promptly as it could be brought by road from the closest dwarven gate. The Great War had lasted decades and seen a prodigious amount of cheap steel floating around the Principate, to be sure, but much of it had ended up in the hands of already-fighting fantassin companies or since been lost on foreign fields – Callow or the Free Cities. Smiths could not work without metal to work with, and it’d gotten bad enough in some parts of the Principate that the Prince of Orense had privately admitted to her he now had more silver than steel left in his principality. The existing mines simply could not keep up with the rising demand.
“We can fight two, maybe three battles before our levies are left to wave sticks and shout imprecations,” Princess Rozala grimly said. “Gods, do the dwarves want us to break in front of the Dead King?”
The Princess of Lyonis eyed her thoughfully from the other side of the table. If it’d been more than the two of them in the tent, Rozala thought, the conversation would have ended there. But it was only them and maps and mostly-untouched cups of wine, so Princess Sophie broke her silence.
“Her Highness believes it might the work of the Black Queen,” she said. “To make our war effort unsustainable.”
The Princess of Aequitan felt her fingers clench into fists. She breathed out only after a moment, forcing herself to approach it with cold eye.
“She’s a monster,” Rozala said. “But not one without reason. She’ll want us crippled by Keter, not outright devoured.”
“That is the First Prince’s opinion as well,” Princess Sophie agreed. “Yet there is a possibility we must contemplate: that she struck the bargain with the dwarves blindly, and that she may not return from her journey for months yet. If ever.”
Rozala winced. That would be disastrous. It wasn’t that the Principate wouldn’t be able to wean itself from reliance on the dwarves eventually. It was that it would take years for the mines and foundries to be raised to what was needed, as well as cost a fortune. Procer had neither the years nor the coin required for such an ambitious undertaking on hand.
“Then we make truce with Callow,” Princess Rozala said. “I’ve made my peace with fighting the League, Princess Sophie. The Tyrant has been meddling in our affairs so extensively the Free Cities are out to either take most the south or feed us to Keter. But Callow? We cannot afford that fight, not with the vultures already circling us.”
“An offer of truce was extended by the Lady-Regent Dartwick,” the other princess said. “Including withdrawal of the Army of Callow through the northern pass.”
Rozala leaned forward eagerly.
“And?” she said.
“It comes at the cost of allowing the Legions of Terror to retreat with them,” Princess Sophie admitted. “The overture was declined.”
“You can’t be serious,” the Princess of Aequitan hissed. “I don’t care if they butchered half of the heartlands, send the bastards out.”
“We’ve confirmed that if the offer is accepted, there will be rebellion within the month,” Sophie said. “It is a certainty.”
Rozala almost cursed her out for speaking in absolutes where there could be none, but stilled her tongue at the last moment. Hasenbach, for all her flaws, would not lightly abandon her own native Rhenia to the dead – and that was what she was doing, so long as armies remained fighting south. Which meant she was certain, and there was only one way that could be true.
“The Augur?” Rozala asked.
The other princess nodded.
“You are not to speak of this to anyone,” she warned.
The ruler of Aequitan almost rolled her eyes. That Sophie had not been meant for the throne of Lyonis was sometimes quite evident. It was quite gauche in such a situation to speak the words. They were simply understood, between well-bred women.
“How bad?” Rozala asked, morbidly curious.
“Most of the eastern principalities beneath Brabant,” the Princess of Lyonis said.
Which would collapse half the Principate, the dark-haired princess thought. Those lands were the most-populated and some of the wealthiest in Procer. Or they had been, before the Black Knight led his legionaries to take them to the torch and the sword. If a peasant revolt sparked there the situation would spiral out of control swiftly. Especially if some prince or princess saw an opportunity to seize the throne while any force that could stop them was stuck fighting up north.
“You’ve never fought the Army of Callow,” Rozala finally said. “So you might not understand exactly what it is you’re asking of me. I cannot crush their host without massive losses, Sophie. They’re hardened disciplined killers that believe in their cause.”
“That has been understood,” the Princess of Lyonis said. “Which is why your true instructions were not put to writing.”
Rozala Malanza leaned back, brows raising, and waited.
“Win a battle, Princess Rozala,” the other woman said. “And if the Callowans and the Praesi should manage to escape in good order towards the passage, afterwards? It is unfortunate, but the League’s presence would not allow you to pursue.”
So, Rozala was to clasp hands with the Dominion to give the enemy a black eye before letting them slink away. It sat ill with her to toss away the lives of soldiers – badly needed soldiers – for a play in the Ebb and the Flow, but if the alternative was rebellion then she’d swallow her tongue and do what needed to be done. However many died there, it would be a drop in the ocean compared to what would take place if the heartlands broke behind the defensive lines to the north. She drained the rest of her cup, and set to the business of getting her soldiers fed and marching.
—
In peace time it would have been against the laws of the Principate for an army to be mustered in the lands of a prince at the orders of the First Prince without the right being first granted by said prince in front of the Highest Assembly, but these were not peaceful times. Besides, it was in Cantal they were camped and the prince of this land was among her commanders. Prince Arnaud did not balk at providing what supplies he could. It was not as much as Rozala would have liked, but that was understandable given the damage done by the Legions of Terror. More surprisingly, he did so without any of the complaining the Princess of Aequitan had expected. Out of gratitude she began extending him invitation to the war councils that had previously been restricted to Princess Sophie and Louis. To her further surprise, aside from the occasional bout of arrogant bragging he proved to be rather useful. The prince knew his own lands well, and did not balk at emptying his own purse or armouries to strengthen the army. Rozala only understood exactly what was taking place when Prince Louis approached her as she rode ahead of the columns, a mere week away from the Iserran border.
“Rozala,” he greeted her calmly, dipping his head.
The Princess of Aequitan slowed her horse – he was not as skilled a rider, and might struggle to keep to her pace – and returned the courtesy.
“Louis,” she fondly replied. “I see you’ve settled the fools well enough to be able to afford a speck of freedom.”
“A prince’s labour is never done,” he drily replied.
That glint of amusement in his russet eyes Rozala would admit, if only to herself, made him attractive in a mischievous sort of way. It was not a thought she could allow herself to entertain. He might be a widower, and she unmarried, but the interests of their principalities were often opposed. To dally without any deeper commitment would cause dangerous scandal, and there could be no true privacy in a war camp.
“Ours certainly is not,” the Princess of Aequitan sighed. “I had counted myself fortunate, that we might never fight the Army of Callow again.”
“Ours are not fortunate years,” Louis said, tone dark, but shook his head afterwards. “Still, we do what we can. It to speak of that I have come.”
Rozala cocked her head to the side, silently inviting him to speak. After so many hours shared they had become more than passing familiar with each other’s mannerisms.
“When do you intend to begin inviting the Prince of Orense to the expanded council?” he asked frankly. “Any longer and the slight will grow too deep, he will become much harder to budge.”
Her brow rose.
“I had not meant to invite him at all,” Rozala admitted. “His dealings with the Tyrant make me wary of his judgement and reluctant to hear any advice from his lips.”
“You don’t need to actually take the advice,” Louis patiently said. “When did Amadis ever take ours? It’s simply a matter of binding him to you. You cannot afford to throw Segovia away if you are to cleanly take the reins. The blunder should make him eager to redeem himself, if anything.”
The Princess of Aequitan almost informed him she had no need of Rodrigo of Orense to run a brothel, much less an army, before she grasped what he actually meant. It was not the army she was leading that Louis was speaking of. He was under the impression that, in Amadis Milenan’s absence, she was usurping leadership of the alliance the Prince of Iserre had assembled. Through those eyes, Rozala thought, the sudden solicitude of Prince Arnaud took a much different meaning. He was currying her favour, much as he had once done Milenan’s. For a moment she thought of telling Louis this was not her meaning at all, but her tongue did not move. If she was perceived to have faltered halfway through a coup, her ‘supporters’ would turn on her without hesitation. And had she not only aligned herself with the Prince of Iserre for lack of other allies in the first place? More than that the man had not gone north, fought in Cleves or Hainaut or Twilight’s Pass. If the Callowans released him, would he truly understand? And if they don’t release him at all, her mind whispered, who would you trust to take the place of primacy in your stead?
“I am not Amadis Milenan,” she finally said, meeting Louis’ eyes. “I intend to take good advice, when it is given.”
“Then invite Prince Rodrigo to council tonight,” the Prince of Creusens said. “And I will begin to approach the other two who disgraced themselves.”
“Amadis never convinced them to back him,” Rozala said.
Leonor of Valencis had been friendly, but firm in her refusal of closer ties. Valencis and her own Aequitan had warred frequently, over the centuries, but just as often struck close alliances. Princess Leonor was, if she remembered correctly, a cousin in the fourth degree of blood. The ruler of Valencis had been a tacit supporter of Rozala’s mother when she’d made a bid for the throne during the Great War, though after the defeat at Aisne distance had been made between their courts to avoid incurring Cordelia Hasenbach’s ire. Princess Bertille of Lange was dependent on Salia for much of her principality’s trade – and therefore at the mercy of the First Prince’s displeasure – but she’d never outright entered the fold of the First Prince’s loyalists. She had a reputation for being cold-blooded and of mercenary nature even by Alamans standards. Amadis had simply never found a price that moved her, Rozala had often thought.
“But you are not Amadis Milenan,” Louis Rohanon replied, lips quirking. “I will see you at council, Princess Rozala.”
He dipped his head again, slightly lower than the first time, and left her to her thoughts.
—
Eight days later, headed into Iserre, the army began to hear fanciful rumours from refugees. Most of them about an army of dark ghosts that left no tracks and spoke no words.
Five days after that, the army began to hear rather less fanciful rumours about a clash between the Army of Callow and a Dominion army. The Callowans and the Wasteland allies fled south, refugees said.
Three days after that, Rozala Malanza found forty thousand Levantine camped on the snowy plains and waiting for her. She rode ahead to meet with their commander, the Lord of Alava, and begin planning the shared offensive.
The moment she truly knew it all had gone to the Hells was when she found the Grey Pilgrim waiting alongside him.
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I was less than 5 seconds late, and you beat me to it! That’s just rude.
Nicely done, though.
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Sorry dude. I just wanted to it for once. You can have your job back for the next chapter.
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Nah, you’re good.
I was making a bit out of nothing.
Nice job beating me, I tend to spend a bit too much time in my life trying to make sure the link gets there.
(If my last message came off annoyed at all, that wasn’t the intent. Sorry if it did)
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So their are currently eight princes in this host i think this quote from book two deserve some considering
“I will take the crown of seven mortals rulers and one, to lay them at the feet of the Prince of Nightfall,” especially since that seven in the interlude is in italics
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Yeah. I agree. Seems like the opportunity to take the crowns of those eight princes and fulfill Cat’s debt to Larat.
I think this coming battle will be the one called “The Princes’ Graveyard” that was mentioned in the extract from ‘A Commentary on the Uncivil Wars’ by Juniper that was used as the Epigraph of ‘Interlude: Commanders’, said to be one of the key battles that historians will reference when trying to understand Catherine’s methods.
Catherine has mentioned that she needs to beat them while keeping as many soldiers as possible to take North against the Dead King; so it would make sense that she target the commanders. The death of eight of the 23 rulers of Procer would be a blow enough to force the Grand Alliance to accept Cat’s terms.
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she doesn’t even need to kill them, i could imagine some of them would rather part with their crown, than their lives…
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I see a scary possibility here. This was supposed to be a political battle to satisfy the Highest Assembly while still not dealing any real damage to either side, but even if Cat wants the exact same outcome I could easily see it turning into a bloodbath if she started by decapitating the leaders who have the secret orders to turn it into a harmless “victory” where Callow retreats like it already wanted to.
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Remind me, what chapter was that said in? I need to go back and have a read.
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Book 3 Chapter 35: Questions
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Interlude: Commanders
30 Aug 2017
By coincidence I had recently read it in my re-re-read
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The funny part is that one of the lords of former summer has reproached Cat about this (I don’t remember the exact wording nor who it was, one of the princesses or the queen).
Now we have the goddess of night, the first under the night priestess, and prince of nightfall. I wonder, coincidence? Not likely…
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Not to mention Catherine’s having Akua make an artifact that appears to be a device to turn day into night.
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I will vote. Thanks for the reminder!
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Well, we finally see why Hasenbach couldn’t send every possible soldier north, although I do wonder why she couldn’t tell her uncle the exact reason why.
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It was already known why and Klaus knew it. In fact, Klaus IS north right now, but Cordelia sent him to Hainaut, when Klaus wanted to be fighting in Hannoven (his home) which was practically abandoned to their own luck. The Lycaonese are fighting without support in Rhenia, Hannoven, and Bremen while the rest of the Principality’s troops are focused on Cleves and Hainaut. As for why there are still troops south in Iserre, we already knew since Volume 4 that it was due to Black’s Legions ravaging the eastern principalities, and in this volume prologue we saw that the League (or rather the Tyrant’s) troops crossed the Waning Woods into Procer, so armies needed to be sent there to face them.
You can check the map here: https://ibb.co/kPLnQa
It helps a lot to look at it while checking the principalities mentioned, to gain a better view of where the armies are right now.
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Damnit Tariq your timing is uncanny, it’s almost like you have a choir of angels handling your trave-
Shit
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So… Prince’s Graveyard, anyone?
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Catherine is still looking for crowns.
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Ho, crap… you’re right. And there are seven in that frakkin’ army right now. How much crows was her deal with Larat for? “Seven and one?”
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There’s always the option of Callow becoming an anarcho-syndicalist state so that the arch-heretic can add the ‘and one’ to the pile, and she can then tell the crusading hosts that in order to chase her, they’re going to have to march at the Dead King.
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The lat crown is… his own I suppose.
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Wait a minute. Presence of the Pilgrim means he either left Black with the others or took Black with him, both of which create good opportunities for Black, I think.
Furthermore, I hope he ends up mediating the conflict more than inciting battle.
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….LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Mediating the conflict *snort*
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Like Pilgrim would leave before Saint cuts out Black’s soul. He isn’t an idiot.
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>“Oh, we’ll bleed,” the Saint mused. “We’ll lose badly, at first. And then we’ll claw our way back up, inch by inch. Evil always wins at the start, but it’s us who owns the conclusion. And from the ruins something better will rise. This empire’s already a corpse, but we’ll send it off with a pyre glorious enough it’ll redeem the old faults.”
The Proceran army is going to be used as sword fodder. Above seeks the destruction of Procer. Inciting battle IS what Grey Boi is here for.
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People keep thinking Saint speaks for the entire side of Good.
Why?
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Because she was having a conversation with the bard before she said that, and the bard is pretty goddamn influential
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And we know that the Bard plays both sides, and probably has ulterior motives as well.
If anything her right to speak for the Heaves is even more suspect.
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also this ^
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Bard is not a major player. She’s forbidden direct touch. She’s a nudger.
She would have prodded Saint along on Saint’s own path, in one specific direction that was already amount her options, not introduced a new option entirely.
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She’s indeed, a “nudger”… but she’s a very good one, with millennia of experience and her own expertise over story. Just because she’s not a combat or magical powerhouse, that does not mean she “is not a major player.
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Depends on how you mean it, yeah. My point is just that she didn’t order Saint around.
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She didn’t order Laurence around, but she may have “accidentally” given her an idea…
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Yeah, but again, the idea would have to be already along the lines Laurence was thinking of.
Either way, Bard is even more questionable as a source of the ‘will of Heavens’. Just ask Irene and William.
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BECAUSE SHE FUCKING HAS TO IF HER PLAN IS TO HAVE EVEN A SLIGHTEST POSSIBILITY TO SUCCEED. We have discussed it at least once already.
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Stop assuming everyone is rational agents acting on complete information!
Yes, we discussed this, and you definitely failed to convince me that there’s any reason to think Laurence de Montfort doesn’t just have her head so far up her ass she’s looking out of the bellybutton! We’re talking about a person who responded to a comparison to Ranger by promising to cut off the offender’s hand, and considers punching in the head strong enough to knock out for being mouthy acceptable treatment of a prisoner. We’re talking about someone who unironically uses the phrase “no truce with the Enemy”. Laurence is a murderhobo extremist who’s convinced her position is so obviously right she doesn’t bother to double check.
Also, her plan is as simple as “lose spectacularly, gloriously and honorably, then count on karma to even the scales”. She doesn’t even need to do anything for it to succeed the way she envisions it, nor does anyone else (beyond what they were already going to do). She just prevented Cordelia from “making truce with the Enemy”, because that would turn a perfectly black and white (in her eyes) situation into shades of grey, and we can’t have that, can we?
You’re seeing a reasonable logical workable plan where I’m seeing a kamikaze attack she expects to draw the entire continent into.
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Half of the side of Evil is about to turn on the Dead King. That’s a fact, ant there’s no way the Bard doesn’t know about it. So that takes care of the “incomplete information” clause. With Callow, the Legions and the Drow at their side, Procer has a real chance to actually stop the armies of the dead, which is very much not what Laurence wants to happen, and what pretty much every non-Named on the side of Good wants to happen. To prevent it from happening, she need at least the majority of influential heroes adamantly refusing to accept any kind of truce with Catherine.
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Bard does.
What does Bard’s knowledge have to do with it?
What, is she known for guiding heroes well and sharing full information with them?
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Because her wanting for Laurence’s madness to bear fruit can be logically inferred from what she said to Neshamah (“eat the baby”). And if she wants it to succeed, she will obviously reveal as much information as it is necessary for the plan to succeed, including the fact that there is a giant hole in the underlying strategy that needs to be patched ASAP.
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So you think she has revealed to Neshamah her real plan, expects him to fully succeed, and has put all her eggs in the basket of him doing what she told him to do?
Uh.
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As I said, this is a BAIT.
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Here’s the thing: Bard wanting Laurence’s madness to bear fruit =/= Bard wanting Laurence’s madness to succeed.
Laurence makes a great patsy. She thinks little and reacts disproportionally, she’s ‘a creature of instinct’ as Pilgrim calls it. She’s not a strategist. She assumed that after Battle of Camps, no hero will possibly agree to negotiate with Catherine, because she’s obviously THE INCARNATION OF EVIL. That’s the exact place where the flaw in Laurence’s thinking is, and it leads both to her plan and to her assumption that everyone else will not ally with Cat either. A single failure point.
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It’s not a single failure point. It’s a number of failure points equal to the number of people not named Laurence de Montfort in Procer.
My point is, if all of this is just relatively harmless raving of a maniac, what were we supposed to gather from that conversation? That Saint is delusional? We knew that already. If she’s not a credible threat, the entire chapter just doesn’t make sense.
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“It’s a number of failure points equal to the number of people not named Laurence de Montfort in Procer.”
Nonono, the failure point in her thinking.
“My point is, if all of this is just relatively harmless raving of a maniac, what were we supposed to gather from that conversation? That Saint is delusional? We knew that already. If she’s not a credible threat, the entire chapter just doesn’t make sense.”
Saint is a credible threat because she’s a one-woman army who can and has fucked shit up.
The useful information from that chapter is:
– Cordelia trying her best to prevent that bulshit
– Cordelia’s relationship with the House of Light
– Cordelia’s opinion on heroes and particularly Laurence (she was not afraid to be in her presence because she recognizes that she doesn’t just lash out randomly at rulers and there’s always a reason)
– showing us Laurence’s personal ideology, which is relevant because she’s a major player on her own, being an ‘old monster’ and all
– giving us a hint at Bard’s involvement with this bullshit
– explaining where the Arch-Heretic idea did in fact come from.
All good points for a bonus chapter.
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Except all of that we had known or suspected already.
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As is characteristic of bonus chapters!
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So the conclusion is: the chapter is full of shit.
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I mean… if you insist?
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Besides, I strongly believe that if this plot thread was as inconsequential as you claim it to be, IT WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED AT ALL. Erratic writes better than that.
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It’s not even remotely inconsequential. The Arch-Heretic thing resolves some complications and introduces others. It shifts the playing field in a major way.
It’s just not on the orders of Gods Above, nor a remotely reasonable idea.
Probably fits right into Bard’s plan though. She be like that.
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Sorry, but the way it was introduced implies something completely different. If it was just about Cat being declared the Arch-Heretic, the the entire conversation between Saint and Cordelia had no bearing on the plot at all. It didn’t even have to be there. The Arch-Heretic plot was already introduced at that point. The Bard’s role in that play was all but confirmed. The entire scene amounted to nothing. Unless, of course, it offered us a glimpse of things to come… But Saint is stupid, irrational and has no influence, so obviously everybody will just ignore her and none of this will come to pass, right?
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First of all let’s just collectively remember that Fatalism was a series of bonus chapters. Those weren’t main plot interludes.
Second, I am not saying Saint has no influence. I see it as a subplot, with Saint’s batshit plan being one more thread in a tapestry of bullshit. She can convince some people to join her cause, she can have some people follow her plan until a better plan presents itself…
Though, now that I think about it, a major subplot probably wouldn’t be introduced in a bonus chapter, would it?
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Good point, although I stopped considering them bonus chapters a long time ago.
Except, you see, this is a binary situation. Either all follow her, or might as well none. If even one influential hero makes peace with Catherine, all is lost for Saint of Swords. She’s more dangerous than that and Erratic writes better than that.
Now that I think of it, the average reader doesn’t actually need to know the exact reasoning behind what’s happening. The essence of the plan is for heroes to be as obstructive as possible, which is something they’re already doing, but on a larger scale. I don’t think this kind of behavior would surprise anyone except you and maybe a few others.
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“Either all follow her, or might as well none. If even one influential hero makes peace with Catherine, all is lost for Saint of Swords.”
She thinks ‘no truce with the Enemy’ is a self-evident point that Cordelia accidentally lost sight of in the course of politics.
This IS her blind spot.
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Gray Pilgrim is surprisingly terrible at conflict mediation. To wit, an Evil Faerie Queen came to him asking for his help avoiding conflict via redemption. The Pilgrim promptly told the Evil Faerie Queen that he wasn’t going to try because of some petty temporal concerns.
Saint would probably be better as a mediator.
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>some petty temporal concerns
I cannot believe the lack of reading comprehension involved
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I don’t remember this happening. Care to bring me up to speed while castigating the person spreading (mis)information? 😉
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I have no idea what the word “temporal” means here, but presumably this refers to Pilgrim’s refusal to exercise more influence in his faction than he safely can, and his insistence that there’s only so much he can do. He agreed to enforce rules of engagement they agreed upon as long as Cat did the same, and was amenable to the idea of trying for long-term changes.
But he did not agree to just wind down the whole Crusade, because it’s not up to him and if he tried to make it happen there would be Bad Shit.
“And if I abdicate, can you guarantee that Callow will be left untouched?” I asked. “Will you swear on your Gods that if Procer tries to annex it, you will turn your sword on whoever is trying? Or even that you’ll stay out of my way and let me take care of them?”
“I do not rule Procer,” the Grey Pilgrim softly said. “And if I take the field against them, too many would follow. It would birth a war as dangerous as this one, in many ways.”
(Book 4 Chapter 8: Dialogue)
and then
“Peace on your terms would unseat the First Prince,” he said. “She has spent years forging an alliance with Levant, fighting her Assembly tooth and nail every step of the way. For that same ally to twist her arm into making a pact with one of the most famous villains alive would see her removed within the month. And everything she seeks to accomplish vanish with her.”
I have not the faintest idea how “petty temporal concerns” even begins to describe this tbh.
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Like, tbh? This was how Pilgrim earned my respect.
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I can’t say that he lost my respect this way, because I didn’t have much respect for him to begin with, but his stubborn defense of Cordelia’s foolish mistake definitely didn’t help his case.
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If you break everything you’ve built and start anew every time you make a mistake, you’ll never get anything done.
Often it’s better to accept the mistake and correct for its effects.
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And go deeper and deeper into the mess as e everything falls apart around you. Yes, that’s definitely the way to go.
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Sometimes it goes badly.
Sometimes it goes well.
Human beings don’t possess perfect advance knowledge of consequences of their actions. They possess heuristics which they then apply to try and arrive at the most likely result.
I like Pilgrim’s heuristics.
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So far Pilgrim’s and Cordelia’s heuristics managed to successfully plunge the entire continent into a bloodbath and successfully shoot down every attempt to stop it. Good job, very praiseworthy.
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Yep, the situation went to hell.
But if you have insufficient information, being the most rational rationalist in the universe won’t help you.
I like their heuristics. I don’t like the situation. But looking at the situation from their point of view, I don’t see a lot of things it would be reasonable for them to do differently, with the knowledge and priorities they had.
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If not for their outstandingly erroneous judgement, the entire situation wouldn’t have happened in the first place, but that alone isn’t enough to condemn them. Everybody makes mistakes, even though mistakes of most people aren’t that disastrous.
However, although it quickly became apparent that they’re in deep shit and way over their heads, despite having multiple opportunities to quit with relatively little loss along the way, they kept escalating until they hit the point of no return and now they can neither go on nor quit without massive losses that could have been avoided if they weren’t stubborn idiots. There’s no way in hell I’m going to overlook that.
BTW, I don’t understand why crusading is even still seen as a viable option, considering the success to failure ratio.
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>despite having multiple opportunities to quit with relatively little loss along the way
Elaborate?
Also, crusades afaik were usually undertaken as a means of interrupting the rise of Evil – even if you get beaten back, you still win just because they didn’t manage to get what they wanted before the Crusade, too.
Which really illustrates what’s wrong with this one, narratively -_-
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Come on. It’s the third day of the argument and you suddenly don’t know what I’m talking about?
You know, Neshamah wasn’t really doing anything while the Crusades kept hitting him. So either the good guys are morons (which is admittedly very likely), or your assessment of what the Crusades are for is wrong.
Also, I can’t help to notice that you somehow manage to condemn and defend the Tenth Crusade at the same time. How’s that?
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I recall at least one of the Crusades agains Neshamah starting because he wanted a tribute of children. We have no specific information on others.
And yes, even on the third day of the argument I still don’t see where Pilgrim and Cordelia had opportunities to back out without losses.
As for my position on the Tenth Crusade, I’m actually really confused what you’re not following about it being complicated?
The Tenth Crusade was something that seemed very reasonable from Cordelia’s POV. She knew from Augur that “the Tyrant seeks to end Procer” and extrapolating from her previous knowledge about how Praesi Tyrants behave, figured she was on a countdown before Praes gathered enough strength to actually try to destroy her country martially. On top of that she was also trying to stop the infighting on the Good side and create a treaty for lasting peace, which was also most easily achieved by uniting against a common enemy. Oh look, there is one! And of course she had the problem of many unemployed soldiers in the country after the decades-spanning civil war, which incidentally was deliberately started and kept going by Malicia and only ended right at the start of the story, when Cat meets Black.
All the reasons why the Tenth Crusade was actually secretly not right were something Cordelia didn’t know. She did not have the narrative savvy to realize that ‘they might be doing something soon’ is not a good enough reason for a Crusade, or that having a lot of less abstract incentives to offer her allies in it is a bad thing, not a good thing. I say politics are the same thing as the narrative, but in this particular case what’s beneficial politically is sharply unfortunate narratively. Cordelia did not know that Black was working on reforming Praes to make it less Evil. Cordelia did not know that Praes already had access to WMD class shit and was not using it because the Tyrant was not in fact mad with power and aggressive the way it sounded like in Augur’s prophecy. Cordelia did not know that the Black Knight was already willing to let Callow claim its independence and cultural identity of Good back as long as the trade ties were kept.
And when she knew all of those things? Oh, it was already too late. It’s not a sunk cost fallacy thing, it’s a ‘stopping a moving train with your bare hands’ thing.
She did not know what she did not know. Based on the information she had at any given moment, she was making perfectly rational decisions.
Does that explain my position on Cordelia Hasenbach and the Tenth Crusade?
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No, not really.
I recommend you to reread my comment, because you have obviously misunderstood some things. I will not explain it again because I’m sick of having to do that all the time. (Tip: I try to word my comments as precisely and literally as possible, except the obviously sarcastic parts.)
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If I keep not getting your point, maybe you should try to explain again. Just because it’s literal doesn’t mean it’s clear.
Or we can just postpone this discussion to see what Pilgrim is doing :3
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Sure, it’s going nowhere anyway. You still haven’t managed to convince me of whatever you’ve been trying to convince me of (I’m not sure what it was), and you still remain stubbornly oblivious to the fact that Tariq and Cordelia are responsible for this shit. Let’s agree to disagree.
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For now, yeah.
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This is going to go poorly.
Malanza’s supposed to provide a victory against the Army of Callow and then not pursue them on their withdrawal back to Callow.
What the hells is she supposed to do when she *can’t* provide that victory?
Or what does she do if the Levantines don’t play along?
And Pilgrim is involved. Shit. I thought he was busy sitting on Amadeus.
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I think Grey may be more understanding of the whole “there’s only one true war to the north” deal. And if he says so, the Levs will close ranks behind him, full stop.
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Remember the talk between the saint and the first prince? it is not as clear cut as one might think
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And that’s why Cat wants to kill the Saint of Sword while keeping Pilgrim alive for negotiation. It’s the only combination that allows an alliance.
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Cat doesn’t want to keep Pilgrim alive because he’s any more reasonable than Saint. She’s keeping him alive because killing the old man would have Levant hunker down out of spite and nothing she ever does or says will move them.
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True, but I just meant that the only combination that allows a negotiation is Saint dead and Pilgrim alive, because Saint won’t stop until she is dead and Levant won’t stop if Pilgrim is dead.
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He IS more reasonable than Saint though. He’s the one whose goal was continental peace, and his problem was just that Cat was not his best bet for achieving that.
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Also, does Cat even *want* to withdraw right now?
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That’s the true irony of it. I could honestly see Pilgrim and Cat’s future conversation having that flavor, he might well be for Cordelia’s plan
GP: “Okay Black Queen, we’ve had a skirmish here, now let me be plain. You wanted peace, well all you have to do is ‘retreat’ here and we can talk later, I’ll swear oath to it.”
Cat: “… Nah. That was then. Now I intend to go north.”
GP: “well shit.”
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Their direction of retreat would be towards Stairwell though, which is also north.
The real question is, are Catherine’s own fae portals also disrupted right now?
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Given reports of portals opening to planes of Hell, I don’t fault her for not investigating that just yet. She’s got enough on her plate, with trying to re-unify her scattered armies. Once she does that… well, marching home through a Hell might actually be an option. 😉
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She was also worried about ‘sending up a flare’ for Pilgrim and co by making a working as major as a portal.
(I’ll just take her word on the local effects she’s been actively using being less of one)
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She doesn’t want to be fighting here. She still wants to grab Amadeus before bailing, though.
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Simple… cut a deal with the Black Queen to be “defeated” allowing her to set up a pattern of three.
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only applies to Named rivals, doens’t work like that in any other situation
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Can’t set up a pattern of three because A) Cat is no longer Named, B) She is not a Named rival of the Grey Pilgrim.
So unless Catherine gains the Name Black Pilgrim or something like that (which she actually might, given the nature of her role as First Under the Night, although I doubt she will be getting a Name anytime soon) she won’t get in any pattern of three with Tariq.
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Reclaim the city, loudly declare victory by negotiation, and politely ask Cat if she would please let the dwarves sell weapons to the humans getting killed by the Dead King?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the dwarves considered giving superior weapons to people fighting the Dead King to be a worthy investment in preventing Dwarfen casualties.
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Firstly, remember that dwarf weapons are normally the “cheap” option, goblin steel being better. But… can anybody but Praes and Callow actually get goblin steel anymore? (Maybe the Good troops are normally worse-armed?) And why shouldn’t the dwarves save their steel for their own use? We’ve seen they have mechanical and/or magitech weapons, I bet a lot of steel goes into those.
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I don’t think anyone but Praes ever had access to goblin steel, it’s only just Callow getting in on it now 🙂
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> Firstly, remember that dwarf weapons are normally the “cheap” option
You know, after what we saw in the everdark I have a feeling that this is because they only sell their equivalent of third-rate weapons that couldn’t ever be dangerous if turned back on the dwarves. Their second-rate is probably goblin steel, and I’m willing to bet that what they outfit their heavies with is the best metal on Calernia.
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Also, Cat can offer an easy way for people to buy dwarven weapons again: Stop fighting her, and she’ll return the favor.
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The Pilgrim and Cat might both be insane but acting sane.
First Prince and Dead King?
Hmm…
Great writing EED!
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Seeing Grey near a battlefield is like seeing a guy in a NBC suit walking around your kid’s school. There’s no answer you will hear that will put you in a good and relaxed mood after that.
If anything, you will hear of horrible things that make you regret showing up that day.
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Princes’ Graveyard HYPE!
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Looks like the grey pilgrim is there to make sure their plan to get a token win and then move north is not enacted. as magesbe pointed out witht he princes graveyard happening here, it is likely what the chosen aim for considering their plan involves the wholesale destruction of procer.
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The Saint’s plan involves that.
We have no evidence the Pilgrim even knows about that scheme, much less agrees with it.
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Oh Saint and Pilgrim are in on the plan. They only play Good Cop Bad Cop in front of Muggle rulers.
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That does not jive with Pilgrim’s behavior.
He and Saint don’t have to be in full agreement to work together, working together is what heroes DO no matter what. Remember Vivi’s opinion on William’s Liesse bullshit?
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There’s no evidence he doesn’t either.
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There’s loads of evidence actually.
We just saw that the Pilgrim was willing to murder his own nephew to prevent a massive war that would inevitably engulf the continent. The Saint’s entire plan is all about expanding the Crusade and burning entire nations to the ground in order to rebuild from the ashes. That is the opposite of the Pilgrim’s goal of minimising suffering.
We also know that the Pilgrim believes in Cordelia’s goal of creating a permanent Grand Alliance between the Good nations, which doesn’t fit the Saint’s ‘let it all burn’ attitude.
He still believes the existing status quo can be salvaged, while she wants to uproot the entire thing.
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And what can prevent more suffering in the long term than vanquishing the Hidden Horror once and for all? Laurence’s questionable rethoric probably wouldn’t be able to sway him, but honeyed words of the Bard are quite a different matter. Also, believing in the Grand Alliance and believing in Procer aren’t the same thing. He might very well believe that the rebuilt Procer will be stronger guardian of peace in the west than current Procer ever could. Besides, the situation has changed significantly since he last spoke of that.
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Except Laurence’s plan didn’t really have anything to do with ending the Hidden Horror. If that was the goal she would have gladly made peace with Callow and focused all their efforts on the war to the north.
Instead she ensured the war with Callow would continue. Her plan is to destroy the Principate and then remake it, fighting the Dead King is the means not the goal.
I suppose it is possible the Pilgrim is in on it, but I find it hard to believe he would support a plan that involves so much unnecessary suffering for such uncertain and vague gain.
We’ll see soon enough which one of us is correct.
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As I’ve recently pointed out, Pilgrim’s guiding principle is of rather self-contradictory nature. If killing a thousand to save a million is fair game, shouldn’t letting millions die to save billions be fair game too? Where the line is?
The thing with Neshamah is that he can’t really lose without winning first. He has amassed so much narrative weight the Fate won’t let him be destroyed before he obtains at least a symbolic victory. That’s why he avoided such victory for so long. The plan, spelled out quite clearly in Fatalism III, is to bait the forces of Evil (of which the Dead King is the most prominent) to go full Triumphant, destroying themselves narratively in the process. Destruction of the Principate is just a useful side effect.
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Funny thing, but there didn’t seem to be all that much suffering on display in Keter, or in the Dead King’s domain of Serenity. (Admittedly, he’d surely consider that his guests would not appreciate such a display.) And DK basically wasn’t a problem for the outside world until someone let him out.
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But Pilgrim has never been to Keter, how is he supposed to know?
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I share Malanza’s impresion at the end, maybe adding well placed “fuck”. At leasts we should be getting some more info about black soon.
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Well, she has the experience.
I hope she doesn’t get an actual grave or pyre in the Graveyard. Because some have to come out of this alive and knowing exactly how badly the Pilgrim and Saint screw them over.
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My favorite Cat ship is back on!
…ok maybe not my FAVORITE favorite but the favorite of the ones that weren’t already happening 😀
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… The only thing that comes to mind is Pilgrim/Cat, which is just WRONG. Which ship are you talking about?
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Pretty sure it’s Cat and Malanza.
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lmao no
“Are you trying to seduce your way out of this, Black Queen?”
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…Pilgrim/Shallow Grave???
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I ship it.
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clearly Cat x Dead Proceans
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Well this is wrapping up smoothly. Princes’ Graveyard. And man would you look at that, seven mortal crowns and one.
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See, now that we know that the Augur is compromised, this whole interaction regarding the truces makes a lot more sense.
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Please remind me, how is she compromised?
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There is the possibility that the Augur is in on the plot of the Saint/Pilgrim to let Procer fall so Good can rise anew. That or Above decided to skew the Augur’s stance with visions where they have to fight.
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I doubt she’s actually in on the plan, more likely her information is being manipulated by the Bard.
And again, just because the Saint and the Bard have a plan doesn’t mean that other heroes and Choirs are in on it. Good is no more a monolith than Evil.
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Seriously, yeah.
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Please remind me what chapters we saw the Saint/Pilgrim’s plan to let Procer fall to build Good anew. I appear to have forgotten this.
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https://practicalguidetoevil.wordpress.com/2018/10/01/nihilism-iii/
No indication that Pilgrim is in on it.
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It’s entirely possible that when they get towards Iserre the Augur can no longer see them. Something else is using the sky, and her foretelling ability is entirely predicated on the flight of birds…
Tyrant done screwed her over.
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I still think, that the SpaghettiMcMonster Cordelia is busy prodding awake is a likely cause for the recent magical bullshittery and that everybody blaming it on our resident psychopath is just a red herring, as there is zero concrete evidence about his straight involvement. Not to mention, that that seems to be above his paygrade. But on the other hand, so is most of what he has done and if you already can’t explain away half of his hi-jinks without some serious asspulls, why not go all in?
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Both are possibilities!
My favorite version is that it’s all Sve Noc’s fault, unwittingly, just for the hilarious irony.
Not very likely, but hilarious.
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That would be worth it just for the resulting discussion!
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I K R
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She’s being manipulated by the Bard. Epilogue, Book 4: “The Augur sitting alone in a frosted garden, spoken whispers still echoing in her ears like a coiling snake.” Who else can vanish so fast their voice still echoes through the air after they’re gone?
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Did Hanno get a buff or something? He held the line alone for months apparently. Then he and the Witch similiar to the Ranger took out a whole bunch of other Risen Chosen. Insane.
Pilgrim is back. Looks like heroes are ready to reenter the story.
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Nah, he probably accessed his Library of Plagiarism to copy someone who done it before.
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My point is more he ran out of Stamina in his first fight against Black so fighting that long alone should tire him out but apparently he held the line. And we know Named can die from getting tired out so…it was weird. Copying fighting styles probably don’t matter all that much against Hordes until his next fight with the Witch where they fought Risen Chosen.
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He’s a Hero fighting an army of undead monstrosities.
That’s a straightforward situation, and an entirely different one from fighting Black.
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You are missing my point the implication is that Hanno held the wall by himself for months. My point is Named can run out of stamina as shown in Hanno vs Black ergo he should have gotten tired and fallen to the horde. Yes Black was more efficient at sapping Hanno’s energy but an endless horde should get the same done even without better combat tactics.
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I don’t think it was for months.
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Why are you assuming he fought for 2+ months straight? It seems likely that the meaning of that line is something like “He was the critical element holding things together for those months” rather than “24/7 Sword Fighting!”.
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Hanno may be an asshat, and not the smartest, but he *is* a Hero fighting an army of undead monstrosities.
It really is kind of his wheelhouse, and is not a situation where someone like Black could play him and game the system against him, and the Dead King, who might be able to do something like that – trying to set up a scenario/story where the Hero died but held out long enough for help to arrive or for a victory to be achieved elsewhere by holding the enemy where he was fighting – probably didn’t care enough to do so.
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Wait, why do you think he’s an asshat?
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Well, you see, he opposes the protagonist, and belongs to the side which opposes the protagonist! Even worse, he accepts as an authority a Choir of angels which presumably also, like other Choirs of angels that we’ve seen, opposes the protagonist!
It’s really terrible of him, you see.
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I think hes an asshat because he so sunk into his shtick he can’t see anything around him. He would have been able to kill Black if he did.
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I think you’re exaggerating a lot. Yes, he’s not a narrative genius the way Amadeus is, and yes, he failed to predict his bullshit. I don’t see how this translates into ‘not seeing anything around him’ or being an asshat.
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Considering Hanno an asshat, or not largely depends upon whether you consider his two-face coin shtick divinely inspired impartial judgement, or the coping mechanism of, well, an asshat refusing to take moral responsibility for his actions.
It’s an extention of the “I was just following orders” problem and how infallible you consider the “higher power” giving those orders to be.
(That’s Two-Face as the Batman character, not as in Hanno is two faced.)
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I mean. I’m. Pretty sure the coin is real. What with. The whole thing with Amadeus attempting to interfere with it being knocked on his ass?
The White Knight opened his palm, and there was a silver coin in it. Amadeus let all other distractions fall to the wayside. The coin spun in the air, one side with laurels and the other with crossed swords. It fell back on the palm, swords up.
“Amadeus of the Green Stretch, Black Knight of Praes,” the White Knight said.
The point of the sword went through the roof of his mouth. Amadeus withdrew his bloodied blade and put the full strength of his Name behind the swing, but when he touched the neck it bounced off. Something infinitely larger than him swatted him him down and he was thrown down onto the pavestones. They collapsed around him, the ground shaking. Seraphim. His plate was ripped open and he was bleeding from the eyes and mouth. The White Knight was collapsed as well, a mere five feet away, but it might as well have been a mile.
There’s like. Absolutly no reason to consider the coin anything other than absolutely real and giving Hanno very real will of the Choir of Judgement.
Also, the coin just answers the question of ‘should I kill this person’. Hanno still decides when to ask the question, and so far, we’ve only seen him ask it about actively murderous villains he was already fighting. And that one time the Proceran nobles asked him to judge their disagreement lmao. That’s the only thing he ever did that even remotely approached not the absolutely correct and obvious thing to do in the situation. He doesn’t even ask the Seraphim unless he’s already certain himself / unless he has been explicitly asked to pass judgement. He is, if anything, surprisingly inoffensive for a White Knight of Judgement.
“Brooding is pointless,” Hanno said in tradertalk. “If something distresses you, act upon it. Otherwise you surrender all right to complain.”
“So speaks the Choir of Judgement,” she said. “Though you’re fairly moderate for one of theirs. Most would have executed the upper Secretariat and taken command of the siege after out little tower episode.”
He eyed her silently for a moment.
“I do not judge,” he finally said. “That is not my Role.”
Seriously, where do people GET any of this ‘two face’ ‘just following orders’ shit? Hanno makes his own calls wrt everything, and he makes good ones. Name one thing he did (like, actually onscreen did, or at least was said to do) that rubbed you the wrong way asshattery-wise.
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The coin is real, the moral authority of a bunch of eldritch abominations is questionable.
When I say coping mechanism, I don’t mean he’s delusional.
Also, I’m not saying Hanno is an asshat. Just what causes people to consider him one. Personally I neither like, nor dislike him.
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So let me just stop you right there and remind you that the society Hanno grew up in considers the Choir, eldritch or not, very much relevant moral authority. Hanno has questioned a lot of his upbringing; he hasn’t questioned this bit. Has had no reason to.
Our view from out of universe is very different from the view in-universe.
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The coin was given him by the angels, so yeah, it represents their influence in any case. But consider also that Hanno is something of a trauma case: He was basically cast out of his own society for refusing to condemn his widowed mother, and in that wrecked state the angels grabbed him with an offer: We can make all those moral conflicts go away..
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He sought them out, more or less.
Because the religious authority he trusted pointed him in that direction.
Why are people getting mad at Hanno for following his religion properly?
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It’s not always just about opposing a protagonist and you know it. While I too have to admit, that I kind of like him, it does nothing to lessen the amount of personal responsibility he is blindly shunting off on an unfeeling, eldritch monster. But yes, personally I think of all of the blind followers of the choirs as either idiots or lower case evil by proxy. From what we have gotten, mercy for example would like nothing more, than a dead and sterile sphere of a planet with the flag of the Attic on it, as that would minimize “suffering”(what they “think” of it, at least). The gained good has never really entered the equation for them. That is also the reason why i buy the final speech of the most notorious (living) monster in the story and why in my head canon the Attic and Cellar both have different Victory conditions for the alleged bet.
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” personal responsibility he is blindly shunting off on an unfeeling, eldritch monster”
Personal responsibility for what?
What exactly has Hanno done wrong on behest of his Choir?
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You know, Hanno didn’t exactly do a lot of anything onscreen.
It’s not really about wrong or right, it’s that he doesn’t take personal responsibility, period. That really rubs many people (including me) the wrong way.
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You’re not wrong, it was bugging me from the beginning that he was talking about being a weapon of the Choir of Judgement, yet making all the calls himself and only ever asking the angels anything when he already made the decision himself. Like, c’mon dude, for someone who doesn’t consider himself competent enough to make calls, you sure are making a lot of them, aren’t you?
Oh wait, that’s the opposite problem to the one you have with him.
Go figure!
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Against the undead army, I suspect conservation of Ninjitsu comes into play. In any case, Hanno is and was a top-ranked Hero, up with the Saint and the Pilgrim. His fight against Amadeus really was an even fight that either could have won — Hanno’s raw power and library of Light powers, against Amadeus’ creative and sophisticated use of his own limited Dark powers… plus the latter’s strategic control and story-fu.
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Awesome, a lot of plotlines coming together in Iserre for the coming battle, and this is just beginning.
Princes’ Graveyard and payment of Larat’s Seven Crowns and One, here we go!
I don’t really want Rozala and Arnaund to die yet since they are interesting characters in their own ways, but maybe Cat can take their crowns without taking their lives?
Now we got to see more of Rozala, more mentions of the patient schemer that is Arnaund while people still underestimate him yet seeing him as useful tool. That guy is preparing a coup in Procer and few have realized it yet (so far only Pilgrim, Saint and Cat know of his true nature).
Maybe we will find out more about Amadeus’ situation, too. And the plot had yet to move fully to the real war that is raging north.
This is going to be a thrill.
Typos found:
theat / that
Three month / months
It to speak of that I have come / It’s to speak of it that I have come
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There’s more than one way to bury a Prince. Like, having their principality go poof from under them.
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>I don’t really want Rozala and Arnaund to die yet since they are interesting characters in their own ways, but maybe Cat can take their crowns without taking their lives?
Ahem.
>She’d be stripped of her title as Princess of Aequitan as well as her rights in the Highest Assembly without any recourse, the vote considered as having already been taken through the initial motion seconding the order.
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Oh, good point. Merely convincing them they need to go north instead of fight her would “bury” eight princes without having to kill one. I doubt it will be quite that clean, but the possibility is there and if eight princes are deposed, a name like Prince’s Graveyard still tracks.
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I have a little problem with this theory, namely that it doesn’t sound like something Juniper would consider a great military achievement.
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Well, according to Juniper, it’s historians who point at it as an example of what Cat does.
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According to Juniper writing a book about Cat’s military accomplishments.
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Yeah.
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The crows of snark have been holding back because they fear being detected, but now GP is here… There will be no hiding from him, so no need to hold back. Time to see what Night can do.
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Calling it, Cat will kill 4 princes then take Rozala’s, Arnoud’s, Louis’ crowns by convincing them to march north, which will see them stripped of their principalities.
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Am I the only one who is disappointed by Neshama’s performance? Not that I want him to win, but he is the most powerful force of Evil (if not most powerful ruler) on the continent. I thought that his victories would be a little more spectacular, with whole principalities already lost.
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Well, Hannoven and possibly Rhenia are already lost, the Principate’s main host is holding back the Army of Keter in Cleves and Hainaut at the cost of thousands of lives and destroying the environment, even with Heroes backing them, while the Lycaonese are desperately defending Bremen. So there has been a lot of destruction, although I’m pretty sure Neshamah is not hitting them with everything he has, he is aware that reaching too far will only make the Heavens’ response be more overwhelming.
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The most horrifying thing about all descriptions of the war up north is that this war isn’t really anything special to the Dead King.
He didn’t bring his the entirety of his power, he views the existential war about the future of Procer as an attack of opportunity and nothing more.
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I haven’t seen any replies to this yet but, Oh my God the Lyaconese are going at it. My appreciation for all those lines about ‘harr harr my ancestors held the line against the dead for like forever’ have gone up so much is this one chapter, and I love how you show the effects the horrible things the armies of Dead have on the leaders of the armies opposing them!
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