“Fifty-nine: it is always better to interrupt a plan than carry one out. Your finest successes will always be the failures of your enemy.”
-‘Two Hundred Heroic Axioms’, author unknown
“You’re in a damned fine mood, for a man who can barely stand,” Ranker muttered.
Most would not have been to pick up on it, Amadeus thought, but the goblin marshal had been his friend for a very long time. Longer than the common understanding of goblin lifespan should allow for, but that was one of the subjects they did not speak of. Ranker had a right to her secrets, as he did his. The Black Knight tightened the woolen blanket draped over his frame, looking up at the night sky with the barest trace of a smile on his face.
“It’s nostalgic, isn’t it?” he said. “The few of us huddling in the dark, surrounded by a realm that would kill us all.”
His detached force numbered two thousand, with Marshal Ranker in overall command as her sappers and scouts would be more valuable to their purposes than regulars or heavies. Cooking fires had been judged too much of a liability to be allowed even after a days of marching under his aspect that should have left any would-be pursuers in the dust: the legionaries had dropped their kits and made their beds on rough ground, not even bothering to raise fortifications beforehand. Ranker’s decision, and one he’d approved of. Their pace was already taking the soldiers dangerously close to their breaking point, aspect or not.
“It hasn’t been like this since the civil war,” Ranker conceded. “The Conquest was orderly campaign, nothing like this one. Feels like we’re making it up as we’re going along.”
“Planning too deep will be seen through by the Augur,” Amadeus reminded her. “We stay a step ahead so long as we make short-term decisions backed by superior pace.”
It was a little more complex than that, in practice. Thrice now the First Prince’s fresh mage order had passed along auguries of where his legions would be headed, though their very interception meant that they were effectively worthless. Prediction and prophecy were different matters, after all. The former was very much avoidable, if known, while the latter tended to be like a sandpit: the harder you struggled, the swifter you drowned. Even those could be broken, of course. Prophecy was only ever the writ of one side of the Great Game, and if outcomes were so absolute there would be no need for Creation at all – according to the Book of All Things, anyway. Still, even the predictions of the Augur were an exceedingly dangerous tool for the opposition. Considering how sparsely it had been used and the recent revelations as to the forces stirring up north, Amadeus suspected that if the Dead King had not been on the move and requiring the soothsayer’s attentions this campaign would have been much more troublesome.
“I’m aware,” she flatly replied. “And I have some fond memories of the old days, do not misunderstand me. But back then we were still young. To our places, to our powers, to our stories. It’s been a long time since we were any of that.”
“Sing we of foe,” he softly hummed. “Of victories won, and that first woe, tyranny of the sun.”
“You know I hate that song, Amadeus,” Ranker grunted. “It’s the anthem of old defeats, a ballad of ruin.”
“It was a cold, clear look at what we were when it was written,” the Black Knight said. “We are no longer that, yet I suspect we never truly outgrew the sentiment.”
Like a poisonous old friend, it had been clutched tight even as the fangs sunk in and venom spread. The Tyranny of the Sun, for the most famous verse of the song was the title as well, had been written near the end of the Sixty Years War. Arguably the most brutal slugging match between two sovereign powers in the history of Calernia, and it had left both Callow and Praes smoking ruins in its aftermath, peace coming largely because neither side was still capable of continuing the war. Dread Emperor Nihilis had retreated to the Blessed Isle with his armies and ended it without ever signing formal treaty, but he’d died failing to rebuild the Empire and a hundred years of murderous mediocrity had followed until Praes recovered enough to embark in its disastrous waging of the Secret Wars. In some ways he suspected the Sixty Years War had been more traumatic an experience to Praesi culture than the collapse of Triumphant’s empire a century and a half earlier. Triumphant had known success before meeting her doom. The parade of Emperors and Empresses who’d waged war on Callow for sixty years had known much of the latter and little of the former.
“We,” the goblin chuckled. “There’s a word growing thinner by the year. We are exiles in more way than one, Amadeus. You saw to that after Akua’s Folly.”
“It is not the first time I’ve been told I should have tried to climb the Tower,” the man shrugged. “It will not be the last, I expect. It would have been a self-defeating enterprise to wage civil war in the Wasteland with Procer assembling its armies just across the border.”
“The Clans would have come out for you,” Ranker said. “Most likely the Tribes as well. The Matrons smell weakness, Black, and there’s only ever one way they react to that.”
“I can think of few things more foolish than to underestimate Alaya,” he quietly said. “Even now. She’s never been one to act without a plan, and that we do not understand her moves should be source of fear and not contempt.”
“Odds are she’s the one who made a pact with the Dead King,” Ranker said.
“It could have been Catherine as well,” Amadeus frankly admitted. “She thrives in chaotic situations. It’s led her to the bad habit of creating them knowing it improves her chances of victory even if it significantly increases collateral damage as well.”
“The Black Queen,” the goblin mused. “There’s another trash fire of a situation. One you’ve stepped lightly around.”
“The Conquest was a way to achieve objectives,” Amadeus said. “The annexation was ultimately a consequence, not the purpose itself. I hardly mind surrendering unnecessary gains if the actual objectives are met through the gesture.”
“The arithmetic holds,” Ranker sighed. “It always does with you. But there’s more to this than the numbers, old friend. We made an order of things, and now it’s crumbling.”
“And now you wonder what will replace it,” Amadeus said. “And if in that new order, we will still have a place.”
“Some might say it’s too early to start thinking about after the war,” she said. “You and I know better. No point in even seeking a victory if when achieved it leads nowhere.”
“A better world,” the Black Knight murmured, looking up a stars that were not those he’d been born under. “Oh, I have wondered. What it might mean, what it would look like.”
“We made one,” Ranker said. “It’s on fire now.”
“And who set the flames?” he smiled. “Cordelia Hasenbach. Catherine Foundling. Kairos Theodosian. Children, in our eyes. Yet is it not the right of the younger generation to look at the work of that which came before it and judge it insufficient?”
“So they’re right, and we’ll be swept away like dust by the new age,” Ranker said, sounding distinctly unimpressed.
“I still do not believe,” Amadeus of the Green Stretch murmured, “that I am wrong. That our methods, our works, are to be so easily discarded. If these younglings want to prove themselves worthy of shaping the world, well…”
He bared his teeth.
“Let them come,” he said. “Let them earn it. If they can surpass us, then the sin is ours.”
“And if they can’t?” Ranker asked.
“Then they fall into line, or face destruction, and we fight one last great war,” he said. “The one that will matter.”
The two of them remained silent for a long time, seated at the edge of the camp. In the distance, the barest glimpse of the town of Saudant could be made out. Just a lakeside township, one of hundreds in the region. Amadeus doubted the name of it would be remembered as more than a footnote in histories, for no battle would take place there even if he’d been wrong. Under the light of the stars, the Black Knight pondered Providence and the coward’s wager that was Fate. He did not sleep, even tired as he had become.
With dawn he would know if he had once more cheated the Heavens at dice.
—
Gauthier Legrand had served as ranking captain of the guard of Iserre for thirty years now. He’d served Prince Merlaux before Prince Amadis ascended the throne and been appointed to his title by the old prince, but there’d been no talk of having him replaced even when the young prince took over and began inserting his own partisans in posts of influence. This he attributed to the fact that he’d carried out his work steadily and honestly, avoiding court politics and the intrigues intrinsic to any of Procer’s royal seats. He was not unaware that his occasional bluntness and refusal to earn favours by offering plum positions to the kin of the influential had led some to consider him simple, though the more polite phrased it as him having ‘a soldier’s spirit’. Gauthier did not mind. As long as they considered him an idiot they would not attempt to involve him in their little schemes, and he rather preferred it that way. Iserre had only grown larger and wealthier under Prince Amadis, but that rise had come with the troubles inevitably associated with a city expanding. Maintaining order and the rule of law was toil without end, especially in a land where both could change face at the whims of the ruling prince.
Amadis had done well by the city, he’d always thought, and the principality as well. Their prince had kept them out of the worst of the Great War with cunning diplomacy and duly reaped the benefits of Iserre’s rising prominence when the steel returned to the sheath. Old Prince Merlaux had shown a better touch with the commons, that much was true, but his son was a much more able administrator. The guard’s funding had swelled under Amadis, and their equipment was now match for many of the fantassin companies out there making a trade of war. It’d seemed an unquestionable boon at the time, but now Captain Gauthier was forced to question. Not a state of affairs to his liking. The principality was under assault by wicked Easterners from the Wasteland, and to everyone’s dismay the general levies that had preceded Prince Amadis going on campaign had bled the land dry of men in fighting fit. Iserre itself was the capital of the eponymous principality, and so had kept a garrison of two thousand professional soldiers, but the guard’s equipment was only marginally inferior and it numbered five thousand.
In principle the defence of the city was the responsibility of the commander of that garrison, Antonine Milenan. In practice, their leader was middle-aged drunk whose entire experience with martial life was a span of three years with a fantassin company that had never left Iserran borders during the Great War. She had, allegedly, commanded a victorious skirmish against bandits. Rumour had it they’d actually been terrified refugees from Salamans but that in her drunken rage she’d refused to see a difference. There was a reason that Antonine had not been given a command in the crusading host, and Gauthier supposed that a few months ago giving her command of a garrison that would never see combat had seemed a discreet way to set aside a cumbersome relative for his prince. Now that the Wastelanders had come, however, it meant that the woman had been quietly placed under guard in the palace where she could make no trouble. An unfortunate measure prompted by a well-lubricated evening where she’d decided to order the garrison of Iserre to sally out and ‘disperse the foreign rabble on the field’.
And so Captain Gauthier Legrand now led the defence of Iserre.
The responsibility alone would have been difficult to bear, but as the effective commander he’d been the one to receive the secret orders from the First Prince of Procer. Penned by a scribe, most likely, and the content would have been decided by her officers – Hasenbach was a well-known oddity, a Lycaonese with little taste or affinity for war. Gauthier saw the cold sense in the letter he’d been delivered. With only two thousand soldiers, his guardsmen and whatever peasantry he could arm and send to stand on the walls his defence of Iserre was a risky enterprise. The easterners might be impious demon-worshippers, but the Legions of Terror were known to be one of the finest armies on the continent and their generals were of high renown. The captain knew himself to be no great tactician, and hardly a soldier besides. He had dwarven engines on the walls, due to his prince’s foresight, but few and few men trained to use them. The devices were well-known to be finicky and prone to breaking anyway, rarely lasting more than five years under regular use. Rough handling might see a few unmade before they could even be properly put to work.
And yet here he was, reading a report stating the Legions were but a day’s march away and considering treason.
There were no two ways about it, disobeying the First Prince’s orders would be high treason. The Principate had declared a crusade, her authority in military matters was absolute. Gauthier was not a soldier, which in different times might have provided him a way out, but as the commander of the city’s defence he was charged to obey any and all orders bearing the seal of Cordelia Hasenbach. The actual text of those was delicate and regretful, but the heart of it a brutal thing: after short defence on the walls, he was to draw the Praesi inside Iserre and set the city on fire around them. His troops were then to evacuate and join the relief forces sent by the Dominion, to fall upon the easterners while they were freshly bloodied. Iserre, as of Prince Milenan’s last royal census, counted over a hundred thousand souls between its walls. Gauthier knew it was more than that, perhaps as much a ten thousand more who were foreigners and so unrecorded or too estranged from the law to want their presence noted in anything as official as a census.
He would not be allowed to evacuate them. Their panic, the letter noted, would prevent the Praesi from pulling out their forces in time by clogging up the streets.
He wrestled with the decision throughout the night. Handpicked men discretely prepared the blazes, for he did not give the order now it would be too late afterwards, and when dawn came Iserre had been turned into a pyre. It was the arithmetic of it that stayed with him. There were, according to reports, perhaps fifteen thousand easterners and not even half that many bandits with them. A host of twenty thousand at most. And his orders were to burn alive five times that many to wound the Praesi. He would be damned in the eyes of the Gods, if he did this. Yet how many more would die in towns and villages, if he did not? Not merely in Iserre, but all over the realm. Duty and faith tugged him different ways. Midmorning saw a Praesi envoy reached the city. The offer made was as brutal as the orders of the First Prince: should Iserre surrender its granaries and treasury, the city would be spared a sack. If it resisted, all armed inside the walls would be put to the sword. Gauthier rode out himself to speak with the envoy, to the gaze of Evil with his own eyes.
The thing across him was green of skin, one of those creatures they called orc. A barbarous monster that ate human flesh and lived only for blood and rapine. There was nothing in its eyes but hunger, Gauthier saw. A small woman with ink-stained hands and the colouring of the Free Cities stood by its side, though she remained silent. Some kind of servant, he suspected.
“The terms will remain as offered,” the orc said. “Negotiation is not on the table.”
“You’re a long way from home, greenskin,” Gauthier said. “Fighting the wars of humans.”
“We go,” the envoy said, “where the banner goes.”
“Your banner has come to the Principality of Iserre, Gods take you all,” the captain said. “We do not bow to foreigners. We do not bow to servants of the Hellgods. If you want your fucking loot, come and take it.”
“A respectable choice,” the orc said. “But you may come to regret it.”
“Tell your masters this is Procer, not one of their slave cities,” he spat out. “Test our walls at your peril. We were there, when the Tower fell. We will be again.”
The words, though defiant, were as ashes in his mouth as he rode back to Iserre. He’d just ensured the city he’d spent his entire life guarding would either suffer fire or a bloody sack. The Legions of Terror arrived past noon, and he watched them spread out from atop the walls. Dwarven engines stolen from other cities and armories were brought to the fore, their shapes changed by the devious goblins – which rumour said were dwarves corrupted into foul form by the touch of the Gods Below. The easterners and their traitor auxiliaries built their camps and only began bombardment under cover of nightfall. The city’s walls had been rebuilt fully early in the Great War, and so they suffered but did not break. Gauthier feared not the stones, only the assault of the steel-clad soldiers. Two more days passed, with only one breach to show for it – quickly filled by sacks of sand and gravel at his order – but time was running out. The assault would come soon, he knew, and the decision he must make with it. Duty or good? Gods forgive him, but as the fourth night fell Captain Gauthier made his decision. Better he be known a traitor than a butcher. When the assault came, he would empty the city and ride to Salia for his trial.
Then dawn came, and with first light came the realization that the Praesi were gone.
—
“Steady,” Amadeus ordered. “I want no incidents.”
The town of Saudant’s entire defending force had been a sum of thirty militiamen, who immediately folded when they realized how heavily outnumbered they were. There’d been actual soldiers behind them, though, who had fought: the Levantines had left four hundred soldiers to guard the fleet of barges that had ferried them across the lakes at the heart of Procer. None had surrendered, even when such an outcome was offered on rather lenient terms, and five barges had been lost to fire and fighting before they could be eradicated. A regrettable loss, but Amadeus had burned ships himself not a day later. The barges had carried thirty thousand Dominion infantry, while he would at most move twenty thousand soldiers himself. Having no intention of leaving Procer with any ships after he passed, the surplus had been put to the torch.
The sailors and captains to which they belonged had been furious, but they were not armed and so in no position to contest his orders. The First Prince had assembled this fleet by requisitioning merchant trade, not building warships, and considering piracy was night-inexistent in Proceran waters the merchant sailors had rarely carried anything larger than a knife. They were also less than eager to die for the sake of the Lycaonese ruling Salia who’d pressed them into service, which meant his assurances that the sailors would be released unharmed after ferrying his own troops where he wished had been received with more gratitude than hostility. Amadeus had taken pains to be accommodating with them, as Praesi were poor sailor as a rule and the Legions largely unfit for sailing ships. Some Thalassinans in the ranks had middling experience at sea, but too few and those few had too little practical experience to properly captain barges. It might be possible to proceed without the sailors, but only at a snail’s pace – which would rather defeat the purpose of acquiring the fleet in the first place.
The legionaries he’d called out after nodded at his order, moderating the language they used when speaking at the locals loading the ships. Finding out there were still supplies in the town meant for the already-departed Levantine army had been a pleasant surprise, implying he’d caught the very end of the enemy supply train without meaning to do so. He was not a fool, of course, and so he’d checked the grain and foodstuffs for poison. Hasenbach might have grown desperate enough for such a stratagem, even if the Levantines were not. None had been found, and he’d been pleased enough at the discovery to dole out a portion to the inhabitants of Saudant as incentive to load the rest more quickly. Barely more than a thousand people overall, and so easily appeased by the notion of being assured of plentiful stories throughout winter. Sadly the general levy by the prince of Iserre had meant few capable of hard labour remained, but he’d assigned a few legionary companies to help matters along.
Leaving the docks – and the friendly shore around them, where lack of space had dictated most barges would actually end up – Amadeus found Ranker awaiting him at the nearby tavern he’d appropriated as temporary headquarters.
“They have fishing boats,” the goblin marshal informed him immediately. “At least a dozen.”
“Not enough to ferry a significant amount of men,” the Black Knight noted. “Sinking them brings little profit and antagonizes the locals. Leave them be.”
“At least order them beach for a few weeks,” Ranker said. “Otherwise some enterprising soul might try to find out where we’re headed.”
He nodded after a moment, though in truth he doubted their destination would be much of a mystery. Even if the Augur did not divine it, the strategic situation would make it obvious. By now Grem and Scribe should have lifted their ‘siege’ of Iserre, having remained there long enough to draw in whatever forces had been sent to relieve it. They’d hurry towards the nearest shore, where the fleet Amadeus has just seized would be awaiting them. From there, they could leave their pursuers to stew impotently on the wrong side of the Principate while they struck at easier targets.
“Have you decided where we’ll be headed, after?” Ranker asked.
“Still a matter of debate,” Amadeus admitted. “Segovia would allow us to finalize our savaging of the First Prince’s opposition, properly damaging her position.”
“But you’re thinking of Salia,” the goblin said knowingly.
“We can’t take the capital,” he said, stating the obvious. “Even arming a third of that hive would allow her to drown us in numbers. But if we torch our way through its outlying territories, the sheer loss of prestige might see her unseated.”
“Grem will call it risky,” Ranker predicted. “I don’t disagree.”
“And so it remains a matter of debate,” the Black Knight said. “We will discuss in depth when reunited with him and Eudokia.”
There was a beat, during which the goblin studied him thoughtfully and openly.
“It’s been two days since you last used an aspect,” she said. “I expected you to be in better shape by now.”
“I drew deeper than I have in decades,” he candidly admitted. “And you know my well is shallower than most. I expect within a fortnight I’ll have recuperated.”
She nodded, after a beat.
“Gods, at least it worked,” she sighed. “I half-expected a band of heroes to be awaiting.”
“There are over a hundred thousand souls in Iserre,” Amadeus said, avoiding even the slightest hint of smugness. “Souls at risk of slaughter, if left unprotected. So long as we were willing to carry out that ugly work, it was possible to dictate where the heroic intervention would take place. I expect Grem found the place swarming with their like. It would have been a beacon lit for every sword of the Heavens not gone north to fight the Dead King.”
“There’s no need to get smug,” Ranker told him, eyes squinting.
Alas, sometimes there was no winning a battle. By the fourth day, they’d departed the charming little town of Saudant on surprisingly good terms with the locals. Legionaries were spread too thinly across the fleet for Amadeus’ tastes, but there were enough mages along that any sailors with notions of patriotic resistance would be forced into restraint by their more fearful fellows. The fleet made good pace, for the first three days.
Then the sickness started.
It showed in the sailors first. Fever, sweat, weakness of the limbs and after twelve hours they were dead. Amadeus ordered any with the symptoms thrown overboard as soon as he first saw the disease. It was too clean and too sudden: there had been no sign at all before the fevers, the sailors being in perfect health. It was not a natural disease. Reluctantly, he ordered every Proceran sailor disposed of after the first legionary showed symptoms. It was too late, by then.
On the sixth day, Amadeus of the Green Stretch found he was the only person left alive of the entire fleet.
—
Tariq let out a panting breath when the last of the victims died.
There were Choirs, he knew, that treated their relationships with heroes as a sort of subjugation. The Hashmallim of Contrition, in particular, were known to be heavy-handed – though to this day he was uncertain whether it was because they bestowed upon only the desperate, or because such was their nature. As a young man, the Pilgrim had found that the Choir of Mercy demanded nothing of him. He’d simply been found to be of a like mind with the Ophanim, and so found them at his side. As if they had been there all along. They were more like old friends than patrons, never far from his thoughts. Always there with a whisper of comfort in hard times, a reassurance when the world seemed dark. They shared, after all, the same mandate.
The alleviation of suffering.
Tariq had no longer been a young man when he’d understood the frightful depths of that simple sentence. He’d thought, as mortals often did, that angels saw through his eyes. Understood his thoughts, his beliefs and his choices. The first, he thought, was perhaps true. The rest was not. The Ophanim were absolute, in nature and mandate. There were no shades to their perspectives, and while they might fondly tolerate them in one sworn to the Choir of Mercy that indulgence should never be confused for approval. The Grey Pilgrim had first understood this when he’d smothered his young nephew in his sleep, knowing the boy was charismatic enough to unite the Dominion and lead to war against Procer. He’d tried, first, to reason with him. To show him the pursuit of old grudges through blood could not redeem a single thing.
The young never listened, he’d learned. And so old fools like him had to smooth out the sharp edges of Creation.
Praesi, he’d been told, believed that Good only came in certain shapes. That it must obey strict boundaries and rules, that it must rely on little tricks like Providence or angelic intervention. An understandable misunderstanding. For all that the raving Tyrants who climbed the Tower liked to style themselves anathema to all children of the Heavens, they’d rarely fought opponents beyond Callow – where heroism was so deeply linked to war that a villain waging one was now seen as good. Praesi had learned to bury and defeat a certain breed of stories, after millennia of butting heads against them. But oh, that was such a shallow understanding. The world was large, and so few ever saw more than a speck of it. There were as many stories as there were peoples, and to build one’s understanding on but a fraction was to raise a tower on quicksand. The Black Knight, Tariq thought, was not a stupid man. But he’d been arrogant enough to think he saw all the rules of his world, and arrogance was ever the death of villains.
Crafting the plague had been easy as snapping his fingers, and mayhaps that was the most distressing part of it. The Enemy delighted in displaying its power, raising massive contraptions or weaving elaborate schemes to praise its own cunning and cleverness. Like it was the only side capable of doing those things, like it wasn’t a choice to turn away from the unsightly means of the Gods Below. The Grey Pilgrim could have birthed diseases and disasters that would raise the hair on the Warlock’s neck, if he so wished. But power had to used responsibly, turned to moral purpose, else it could only ever be a form of tyranny. And so Tariq had wept, and asked for the guidance of the Ophanim to create a disease that would undo the Black Knight and all his murderous designs. It was not so far removed from healing, to make someone’s body turn on itself. To allow it to spread had required learning deeper than his, but as always the Choir had provided.
At a small price, a reminder of what he wrought. He would feel the agony of all taken by the disease.
He’d come to Saudant a stranger on a dark night, and seeded this foul miracle in a single man before taking his leave. Ten days and ten nights it would wait, before beginning to kill. That the Black Knight would come to the sleepy little town had never been in doubt. By the man’s perspective, heroes could only go to Iserre. He was making sport of decency by forcing their hand with a threat before stealing away a fleet to spread even more death. Where was it written, Tariq had thought then, that Evil will have monopoly on ruthlessness? He’d awaited close, with Laurence and four other heroes for company. Far enough such a small party would not be noticed, close enough he could ensure none of the sick would leave Saudant and spread the sickness to the rest of Procer. The Praesi had came, the Praesi had gone, and he’d followed in their wake. Laurence, in her own kind way, had offered to purge the town for him. He’d refused, and offered the Last Mercy himself.
This would be his own sin, from beginning to end.
They followed the villain after, taking fishing boats. No need for anything a gaudy as a barge, when they were only a handful. It was not difficult to find the Black Knight. He was at the centre of a fleet of dead men, a ring of ships adrift in the lake. Tariq was the first to climb aboard, though Laurence was not far behind, and they found him awaiting on the deck. Standing straight-backed, armoured in old plate without having bothered with a helmet. He watched them approach in silence, pale green eyes emotionless.
“We finally meet, Black Knight,” the Grey Pilgrim said.
The man did not reply. He was eyeing the others, gaze lingering on armaments and armour. Guessing at Names, guessing at powers. Already planning the span of his last stand. Yet Tariq felt no power coming from him, no presence. As if his Name had been snuffed out. It might very well have been, the old man thought. The Gods Below reserved only one fate for a lame horse.
“Surrender,” the Pilgrim said. “This will not end well for you.”
“It was never going to end well,” the green-eye man smiled. “That was rather the point.”
His sword cleared the scabbard with a ringing sound.
“Let’s see,” Amadeus of the Green Stretch said, “if I can at least leave a mark.”
OH SHIT
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Yet Tariq felt no power coming from him, no presence. As if his Name had been snuffed out. It might very well have been, the old man thought. The Gods Below reserved only one fate for a lame horse.
He is assassin
There was a beat, during which the goblin studied him thoughtfully and openly.
“It’s been two days since you last used an aspect,” she said. “I expected you to be in better shape by now.”
“I drew deeper than I have in decades,” he candidly admitted. “And you know my well is shallower than most. I expect within a fortnight I’ll have recuperated.”
She nodded, after a beat.
He is assassin
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Yep… I knew it.
RIP Black. We will all miss you!
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Remember he hasn’t used any of his aspects for a long time now so can we say it’s really black
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i think they felt for his plan there;) I doubt he will die by the hands of these guys
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I want Black to somehow make it out of this, but that just doesn’t seem possible or like it fits the story.
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Said it before and I’ll say it again, I doubt Black really intended to come back from this campaign to begin with. This is Black’s Bonfire – and his funeral pyre.
He marched off into the heart of Procer to stem their aggression by cutting bloody swathes through it, right after talking about how Bonfire was suicide because no Villain could possibly survive the kind of Heroic focus it would bring. Doing it around a year after predicting he had a year or two left to live based on the encounter with the White Knight.
There’s no losing scenario for him here. If he survives against all odds he gains more time, and if he doesn’t he kills four birds with one stone. Hit Procer’s mundane power basis, point the Calamities’ hostility at Heroic opposition rather than his own successor, paint a nice avenging-the-friend/parent figure narrative against any Hero competent enough to kill him, and narratively wound them as a last gasp – after all, a villain with the kind of history he has never goes down without leaving a final mark.
Most master schemers tend to die by going out on their own terms or having their own plot foiled/turned against them anyway. Why not simply play into it? It would let them have their technical victory and still win overall from his perspective by sacrificing a piece at the end of its lifespan for a massive advancement of his own goals.
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Bonus: set Pilgrim up for a long-term, very nasty surprise the sanctimoniously fatalistic coot could easily have avoided.
Because Peregrin knows full well about how Cat and Amadeus are linked, but still persisted in prodding that parental-style bond in a narrative way. No bets: Warlock will know exactly how Black dies, so the info (not just the propaganda) will get out.
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“Hello. My name is Catherine Foundling. You killed my father, sort of. Prepare to… hey, is that a crossbow bolt in your face?”
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Also, “Hello, my name is Masego, but you probably know me better as the Heirophant. You killed one of my uncles. Prepare to meet a fate worse than death… once Catherine’s done mauling you. You should also be aware that history is unlikely to be kind on you, either. Once Auntie Eudokia has done telling it to sit up and beg.”
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“I’m going to kill you slowly, Pilgrim, cut you into a thousand pieces.”
“That’s hardly complimentary, Lady Ranger.”
“You killed my love.”
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No, black know cat need him for later, he would not go on a suicide run without some garanties he can survive it and most of his crew too.
I even doubt ranker really died
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Doesn’t this part sound fishy
“There was a beat, during which the goblin studied him thoughtfully and openly.
“It’s been two days since you last used an aspect,” she said. “I expected you to be in better shape by now.”
“I drew deeper than I have in decades,” he candidly admitted. “And you know my well is shallower than most. I expect within a fortnight I’ll have recuperated.”
She nodded, after a beat.”
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And this is why one never fucks with a white mage, creation is far harder then destruction.
And understanding creation means a near perfect knowledge of bringing about ends.
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“Always a mistake, gloating before the business is done,” a voice commented mildly. — Black Knight, Chapter 1, A Practical Guide to Evil
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Shit
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Heavens put their hand on the scale, I wonder what the Gods Below will do to press back. The First Prince’s orders will be very bad PR when they come out. Will Cat suddenly Gate out and save Black or is it the end of his story.
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Antoninjohn:
The Gods Below have already broken out the big guns in the form of the Dead King. There’s nothing more terrible than the original abomination.
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The dead king predates the good vs evil “new” order.
I don’t think he tips the balance.
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Rather than predating the current balance he is part of it, oh it was rougher back then but it was still there, in fact i think it was theorized that he came about as a counterbalance to the Wandering Bard.
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The only advantage the dead king really has is he was friends with the Bard
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Don’t confuse the Heavens with the Gods Above. An angel helping a Hero to craft a plague is no different that a Demon helping a Villain to wipe out a city. There was no hand on the scales for this defeat, merely one ruthless old man outsmarting another.
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Yes and no.
Pilgrim anticipated what Black would do and took steps to screw him over in a way Black didn’t/wouldn’t see coming.
But … there’s been enough time for Black to have arranged something between the beginning of the plague and the Heroes arriving. There would have been time to use mages to scry both Scribe and Grem to warn them the plan was probably screwed and they’d need a new one, and try to reach out to Cat/Callow/the Woe on their behalf, if nothing else, or even to contact Warlock.
There would also have been time to rig the ship to go up in an explosion amd goblinfire, if there were sufficient munitions remaining.
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I also find it suspicious that both Ranker and Pilgrim mention not being able to feel his Name. It might not be Black after all, or a projection like Luke Skywalker.
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You mean black outsmarting the other right? They felt in his trap
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My guess is that Black has one last contingency to at go out impressively I can think of a couple of options, such as reanimating a few of the corpses, stuffing them with goblinfire and then having them all bum rush the heroes and tag them before they can respond. Even if he lost his own force and died in the blaze, the death of the Saint of Swords and the Grey Pilgrim in the same fight would be devastating to Crusader morale, especially since the Levantines will think that the First Prince poached their favorite hero and then got him killed defending her own land rather than pursuing the Crusade. If the truth came out that he unleashed a magical plague, or especially if the plague itself got out to spread further havoc, the backlash could be quite impressive. And even if he isn’t personally planning anything, somehow I doubt that Cat and Hye’s response will be anything less than devastating when they find that their surrogate father and lover respectively have been killed.
And all that’s assuming that whatever he did to Hanno couldn’t be done again to Tariq. A reasonable assumption given his truth-telling powers but not a sure one, considering that Black is best friends with a mage who’s at least somewhere in Calernia’s top 10.
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Or the Black Knight reanimating a couple of corpses, and having them swim to land to spread the plague to the the peoples of Procer…
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They’d blame the plague as something brought by the Praesi of course, after all, they have a reputation for it.
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Imagine the Grey Piligrim suffering the pain of an entire nation dying……
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If the drow all join Cat that’ll probably be enough.
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Well shit. Amazing.
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Damn…
If it were not for the dramatic cut away I’d be absolutely certain Black is dead…
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Considering the over all situation he’ll likely come back undead.
Also if the ship isn’t rigged with all the boom-boom i’ll be disappointed.
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Having already copied Catherine’s exploding animal zombie power stunt, what are the odds that, as each man died to the plague, Black animated them and sent them towards population centers, with or without embedded explosives?
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He might be captured, he might not be there at all (them not feeling his Name is odd, but the Narrator doesn’t call him Black Knight at the last line…), but there is no way he beats Saint, much less all of them.
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Black doesn’t let his Name spill out, as referenced when Cat was talking with the Dwarves.
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His Name is depleted from too much use of his Aspects. He tells Ranker he’ll be fine in a fortnight, but he hasn’t had enough time to recover when the heroes catch up.
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I can never remember exactly how long a fortnight is, but Black will have had roughly 10 or so days of “recovery”.
So, while he’s not at his best … I fully expect that he’ll get at least one or two heroes, but … Pilgrim can resurrect them, so that’s not worth that much.
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Fortnight = Fourteen Nights, i.e. 2 weeks.
The old term for a week was Sennight, or Seven Nights.
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Bet he has enough juice for a tiny shadow tentacle to play a dirty trick with…
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Even if he doesn’t, he’s still got the massive power surge from dying to spite his enemies with, and I’m sure he’ll have something suitable to do.
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omg!! is this the end for him…
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So wait are Grem, Sacker, and Scribe all dead?
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I don’t believe so. Ranker is dead, that’s a given. There were too many references to her unnatural life span as a goblin.
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I think that Grem and Scribe are still alive, with the Legions that feinted at Iserre, waiting to get picked up by Black’s fleet.
Unless they ran into a Proceran/Levantine army and/or other cluster of combat Heroes on their way there.
But even if they did, I suspect Scribe could probably still have escaped.
I think Scribe is probably going to end up signing on with Cat, at least for a while/for the same of revenge.
Grem, while perhaps not willing to go that far, can probably be relied on for working out the defenses of the Vale and the Stairway. Unless he goes down fighting first.
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No i don’t think scribe wil ever join cat. Her name will overlap with adjutant and we all know that can’t end well.
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Wait, if Ranker is dead…then Sacker betrayed Istrid?
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No, my money is on Malicia for Istrid’s death – and the other assassinations in that battle. The opportunity for her assassins to take out the goblins generals never arose.
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And that is precisely why her death is not given. Although, “the only person left alive” part states otherwise, in a theoretical situation where she is not on that count, her unnatural lifespan means either she has a Name of her own – an thus is immune to the disease, or she has some other way to ensue her good health and vitality, thus – possibly – being able to resist, if not overcome angel’s kiss fever completely.
As a palliative she can be a kind unusual undead, still being the host of the angel’s kiss virus/bacteria/whatever, but being completely and utterly unaffected by it through virtue of not being truly alive.
Come to think of it, “the only person left alive”, eh…
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Black had not yet reunited with Grem/Sacker/Scribe. But it’s heavily implied that at least Ranker died.
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From what I understood, they haven’t met up with Scribe and Grem yet. So only Sacker is dead, I guess.
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Slacker, yes. Grem and Scribe had split off to provide the diversion at Iserre.
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Sacker*
God’s damnit, Autocorrect!
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Ranker*
Sacker’s on the Callowan side of the Vales.
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Ranker *
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I feel like Scribe’s being named would have allowed her to tank the disease like Black did, but Ranker is almost certainly dead.
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Grem and Scribe should’ve been on the way to reunite with them.
Ranker is the only named character with Black.
RIP Ranker :<
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I know the story is about single characters, Named or otherwise. But it both amuses and saddens me that barely anyone references the fact that an entire legion just died.
No single name is confirmed dead (yet), but the character “Black’s legion” is dead.
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Several legions, in fact.
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No, two thousand soldiers went with him to the fishing village, so that’s half a legion as the standard legion size is 4 thousand soldiers.
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You’re right. My brain somehow managed to convince me he had ten thousand soldiers with him. My brain is a liar.
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Gray Pilgrim using villainous means to fight Evil. Somehow this doesn’t feel like the place where Black should meet his end in this story. It feels like he has so many story beats left. Confrontation, in one way or another, with Alaya. At least one more encounter with Cat. IDK. It wouldn’t surprise me if Black made it out of this. But it doesn’t seem likely.
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This isn’t villainous.
This is simply cauterizing a wound on a larger scale.
Or burning wood to contain a massive forest fire.
Evil/Practical evil does not have monopoly on ruthlessness.
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Mmm… On the one hand, it’s hardly any different than leading an army to pull down the Tower; it’s killing thousands of people, isn’t it?
On the other, conventional morality places a strange value on the how of killing; going up to someone and announcing you’re going to stab them is “good”, even if it means you’ll have to stab a hundred of his friends as well, while slipping a bit of poison in his drink is “evil”, even if it’s objectively cleaner. And of course, something like the crafting of plagues or boiling them alive is “beyond-the-pale, unquestionably evil, how could you”.
So on the one hand, Pilgrim speaks quite truly – Good was always able to do this sort of thing, and the Black Knight simply focused too much on the repeated stories of Callow to notice. On the other hand, though, the weight of the world defining these kinds of acts as the thing a Villain does and not a Hero might still have a weight of its own, beyond what the Gods Above say is Good, and shape the next act for Pilgrim in a way they did not desire.
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When Cath departed from her role as the Squire, by tiling good, she lost her powers.
These heroes are convinced this is the will of Above. It’s not the first time the Pilgrim has shown double standards.
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I like the gap in Pilgrim’s thought process, though: if Good is allowed to be pragmatically ruthless and a little dirty upon occasion, then Evil is actually allowed to be pragmatically caring and heroic, too.
If it’s meet and right so to do, he really had no call to try putting Cat down the way he did. It really seems like he doesn’t want the world (including Praes) learning that Evil can also do compassion. In its own way.
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I’d say using biological weapons on your own popuation is villainous…
I mean what is the difference between this and a blood sacrifice?
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All there is left for black to do take a small fishing boat, a hand full of reanimated plague-carriing undead, and waltz them village to village, from town to town, ending in salia, swelling to an army of palgue-dead. Who says the Dead King has a monopoly on those?
And this confrontation: 6 Heroes against 1 Villian
This smells of Trap/Diversion. But if the Creator feels like subverting obvious tropes, then this will be a very straightforward affair: heroes killing the villain, who commits a last act of spite, i.e. spreading the plague.
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First, we have access to Black’s internal monologue, so we know it’s not a trap. He thought he dodged the trap and got blindsided.
And if it *is* a trap, it was one that required the sacrifice of Black’s entire army, and Black would be the first one to say that it’s foolish to sacrifice institutional power for a boost in the narrative.
And he’s completely burned out on power, so he has no way to raise the undead in the first place. And the plague doesn’t bring people back after killing them, so even if he somehow, against all odds and against the Saint of Swords herself, manages to smuggle a zombie to safety, it still wouldn’t get him the self-propagating zombie plague that you want.
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Same as the difference between cutting out a cancer tumour and torturing a person for one’s amusement.
Chirurgeon must be a bit of a sadist/sociopath to do the work properly. Difference lies in goals of the person applying the method. And while some methods can be seen as inherently evil, the attitude of “this is a foul deed but I do this because I don’t care, and the more screams – the merrier” versus “this was a foul deed and I forsook my very soul by doing so – but this must be done to prevent more suffering” seals the deal.
Beware thouse who use the Child’s Tear Argument, for their true goal is endless suffering of all the children, regardless of what they say or even believe.
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>Difference lies in goals of the person applying the method.
Under Black blood sacrifice was used primarily with the goals of supplementing what little arable land Praes had and enabling healing, the traditional form of which is barred to Evil.
The magical plague Pilgrim used had the goal of pushing the world back towards the old status quo, which just coincidentally would also make it so thousands of future people would most likely be under the same risk of famine Praes has traditionally been under and serve as a catalyst for future tensions and wars, and death.
Now, yeah, blood sacrifice is also used for other, much less savory practices and, yes, Pilgrim is aiming for a total victory, but we’re talking about the practice as a whole. If blood sacrifice is comparable to a maniac laughing in glee as he’s inflicting torture on hapless victims, even when used for beneficial purposes, I don’t see why magical biological warfare should get a pass, simply for being used for a beneficial purpose..
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The difference is in the perceived morality of it.
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Don’t forget that they also ‘purged’ the town, for no reason beyond that they were pressed to host Black’s legion for a short time.
If it was only using a plague to defeat Black’s legion with some collateral, fine. A brilliant stratagem. But purging the town? Welcome to fucking Evil, you stupid do-gooder.
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The town was collateral, if it hadn’t been purged the plague would have spread and a far larger number would have died.
The only thing that Pilgrim did wrong, was not having a cure for this ready to be used.
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If evil can be practical why would good not able to do so ?
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Above do seem to have monopoly on justifications, though.
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Plague isn’t just the providence of Evil. Ever watched “The Ten Commandments”?
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Eh, too many points of contrariety – starting with the only source of supposed Yahveh’s benevolence being the citation of his words. I always was of an opinion that this one is definitely from Below.
As for the plague – aren’t the bacteria counts among the living? Love all the living things and spread the love everywhere – so is the creed of Grandfather Nurgle!
…wait a minute…
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And thus is the end of the Black Knight
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Eh, I’ll believe it when we see him actually dead.
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I’ll believe it when his body is hacked into pieces and buried in sanctified grounds.
Because given the things his student have pulled, I would not rule self-zombification out of his bag of tricks at this point.
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Oh shit.
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I hope that black makes it out of here, but I honestly doubt it. Black’s death would be a huge motivator of Cat, and would possibly? incite her to fall further down the slope, or even jump, towards abandoning morals, and much more likely, give her a better story against the grey pilgrim (vengeance).
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Typos:
“lived only for blood and rapine” -> “lived only for blood and raping”
“piracy was night-inexistent” -> “piracy was nigh-inexistent”
“Praesi were poor sailor as a rule” -> “Praesi were poor sailors as a rule”
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“lived only for blood and rapine” -> “lived only for blood and raping”
That’s not a typo. “Rapine” is the correct form.
“piracy was night-inexistent” -> “piracy was nigh-inexistent”
This correction is insufficient. “inexistent” is not a word, the correct form is “nonexistent” so “piracy was nigh-nonexistent”
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Fun fact: I am not as smart as I thought I was. Thanks for the correction.
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Inexistant, with an a, goes well with nigh.
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Fyi Rapine means taking their shit while harming them.
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‘Rapine’ refers to forceful seizure of goods. Honestly not a word I’d use, too easy to misinterpret, too little known, and always impossible to distinguish from the misinterpretation of ‘rape’ by context. But still an actual word which doesn’t mean rape.
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Etymology is curious thing…
Beside that, “forceful seizure of goods” describes Brassica napus quite well, don’t you agree?
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Well then,
The Pilgrim’s hypocrisy is complete. Good is Good, whatsoever it does. Long as you can cry “For the Greater Good, are my atrocities upon the innocent perpetrated.”
At least Amadeus is honest about what he is. Out of all the heroes so far presented, I despise the GP far and away the most. He is THE premier evil unveiled in the Guide-verse. Outshining the Dead King, and all others combined, for he is at root the Father of Lies.
Excellent, awesome job, EE. Portraying moral extremism in a way that really gets the blood boiling in the reader, without delving into mad levels of gore is a difficult task. ::applauds::
I don’t just want the GP dead. I want to see the ruin of everything he has ever cherished, held up before his eyes, before he dies.
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Why do you say he’s worse than the Dead King?
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The sad/important bit, is that that is actually true. Good is Good, whatsoever it does, because Good is not good; Good is a perscriptive label that the Gods Above slap on whomever furthers their agenda. So long as that remains true Heroes could be eating babies and it wouldn’t change anything.
I’ve said it before, but I’ll repeat it here, because it seems pertinent. I firmly believe that the endgame for the Guide is the complete overthrow of the moral absolutism enforced by the Gods Above and Below. There’s just no other place for the story to go, with Villains and Heroes being distinguishable only by whose team they pitch for.
Anyway, I share in your disgust for the Grey Pilgrim and second the motion that he doesn’t merely die, but see everything he cherishes and uses as justification for his hypocrisy broken and unmade.
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Where is there hypocrisy? Did he ever said or thought that he is better than Black or other Villains? And your disproportionate retribution seems mildly unreasonable for me. Like what, if Levant goes down in green flames you would be cheering and clapping, cause “serves you right, Gandalf”?
And the break of moral absolutism would feel cheap for me. It is much implied that such a clear distinction is more or less specific for Calernia, backwater mudpile that it is. I see no problem with the world where good and evil are objective. Also, the very existence of moral absolutism makes Heroes not hypocrites. They literally fight for Good. Mora ambiguity is in the eye of beholder, not in the story.
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I was expecting something along these lines on my response to a comment of yours below, but since I see you answering here first, I won’t be repeating myself there. No point in having two of the same conversation at once.
Yes. Yes, he considers himself and his side better than the other side. He pretty much said so to Cat in their very first meeting. A Villain ruling Callow, can not be tolerated. Only it turns out, there is no difference to the methods employed by Heroes and Villains. There is no difference to the logic backing up the use of those methods. WHat then is the difference? Why is a “Good” ruler tolerable, but an “Evil” one not, even if both want the same thing? (The sovereignity of Callow, the prosperity of its people and lasting peace.) And to preempt a potential response, no, his claim that her very presence is warping the people around her doesn’t hold much water, *when he and his band are ready and willing to do the same thing.*
I don’t think the Pilgrim cares about Levant. Not in a real sense. As I stated in my response to you below, this here firmly cements my belief that when push comes to shove the Pilgrim cares only about the label. So I don’t equate the dissolution of everything Pilgrim cares about with the burning down of Levant and the deaths of thousands. Because frankly I don’t think he’d even get phased. It’d just further entrench him in his position of superiority, because Good. What I want to see is Good itself broken. Not physically. Not via the deaths of everyone in Procer to the Dead King.
Via the laying bare the truth that they are no different than the people they’re villifying and opposing. Because do you know what else would have spared lives? Many more lives in fact? Not having a Crusade in the first place.
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Well, I didn’t see your responce down there when I written it. So I am actually sorry if I wrote something without taking into consideration what you written there. I’d be rereading my answers later just to clarify if I did. I hope I did not inconvinied you too much 🙂
He said that she darkens Creation. Just compare the death toll from Bonfire for which Callowans argued, and from his magic plague. And yet the reasoning Tariq uses to condemn his ations,amd make no mistake, he does, is that it just plainly bad, such a loss of life. Cat’s reasoning? It would get in the way of her goals. There lies a crutch, the difference between Good and Evil. One is adherence to ideals, the other is to goals. And Cat goes darker, and darker, as time goes on. A mass genocide? Wow, that sure may come in handy! Seriously dude, Cat is not a good example currently. I stated somewhere, she is already a worse hypocrite then Tariq.
“Why is a “Good” ruler tolerable, but an “Evil” one not, even if both want the same thing?”
Because as Cat said before she fully embarked on dark and edgy path, a Good ruler will have lines he wouldn’t cross. Cat would tacitly allowed for the existence of weapon of mass destruction in the hands of a nation of raving murderers.
“I don’t think the Pilgrim cares about Levant. Not in a real sense.”
What that real sense is? He cares about people, all of them. He always takes a path of least casualties. Only he is at war, so there is no perfect and clear way. Only different shades of godawful. But he does not balk at that. I can respect that.
“Via the laying bare the truth that they are no different than the people they’re villifying and opposing.”
Ok, hands on the table, who is better, White Knight or Black Knight? Heroes take their weapons because that is usually the only way to stop mass murderers putting innocents in graves to achieve their desires.
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One last repsonse, because I have other things to be doing too.
>Ok, hands on the table, who is better, White Knight or Black Knight?
Neither. Both are equally bad. As you pointed out, Amadeus is basically doing this as pissing match with the Heavens. For him the good that would come out of mixing the two sides is an afterthought.
Now if you had said White Knight or Cat, I might have had a hard time answering.
As an epilogue to all two-three comment chains we exchanged words in, nothing I say will convince you, if you don’t understand my basic premise that Good in the Guide is not good. If you think all fairy tales are good examples of due justice and moral behaviour. If you don’t think, as I do, that most of the actual characters in the Guide are not morally absolute. Not black and white. If you do, if you think like me that most characters are grey, then I see no reason why you would ever think enforcing a black, or white morality on them is anything but hypocritical.
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You completly missed my entire point and premise and I am busy too, so let’s end this on something we can agree on: PGtE is an amazing thing if it can enforce such heated arguments and multitude of opinions.
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I don’t believe that I have. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think your point boils down to “The Pilgrim is not a hypocrite, because he’s true to the principles he’s always espoused. Those of Good.” For which I am in complete agreement and even tried to say as much in at least one of my multiple responses to you.
The Pilgrim isn’t a hypocrite because he’s not Good. The Pilgrim is a hypocrite, because Good is hypocritical. Being true to hypocritical principles does not insulate you from the hypocrisy. The reason people are tearing into the Pilgrim in particular, rather than any of the other heroes, is because Pilgrim kind of epitomizes the hypocrisy of Good. Compare with Laurence, who doesn’t even try to pretend Good is anything, but harsh, cruel and authoritarian. (You mentioned you’re much less fond of her. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that in my case it’s the opposite. :P)
And yes. I don’t think anyone taking the time to comment on any of these threads can disagree with the fact the Guide is a very engaging read.
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Your point about Cat is untrue. She did argue that the Bonfire is horrible and should not be done. She had many reasons for not agreeing to carry it out and simplifying it to “getting in the way of her goals” is unfair and misleading.
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Also, the GP’s plague is nothing like the Bonfire. It’s much more like the lake trick, only bigger, meaner and much more successful. And done for basically the same reasons. And actually harmful to noncombatants. And I distinctly remember the Crusaders, including the Heroes, wanting to tear Cat apart for that one.
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I can agree with most all your points but the last one. I’d choose Black every time. I cannot stomach blind zealots, especially those with weapons in hand. And Hanno is nothing but an absolute, unthinking zealot. Even William judged and questioned his actions more.
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The pilgrim sacrificed a thousand lives to save tens of thousands. That is war not atrocity.
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He chose which lives to end. That’s not war that’s war crimes. Oh also biological warfare which is another count of war crimes.
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>biological warfare which is another count of war crimes
Only by concurrent morals. Which are fickle, duplicitous, and hypocritical at its best.
Using drones in warfare is far more clean-cut example of a war crime, and yet it hailed everywhere as a good thing. Somehow.
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The entire idea of a war crime is kind of a sick joke. As if war wasn’t enough of a crime by itself.
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Killed his own kin in the name of mercy, did he? No wonder he can speak so strictly to Regicide of what he’ll do in mercy’s name.
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Ranger, now would be good goddamn time to pitch up.
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I really much like to believe this is a con for all the talk of cheating Providence at dice but it looks like Black finally got the short end, shit…
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Well, the heavens just lost themselves the war. By the time Ranger finishes with them, they’re gonna need a whole new generation of heroes.
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Okay … I am seriously confused on the timing here.
My understanding from 36 Enchere was that Tariq/Pilgrim stayed in Callow until after Malicia’s assassins struck, which was at least 8 days (plus time for the news to spread to Callow) after the Conclave, but from the Fatalism extras, before the Conclave, Black was already within striking range of Iserre.
Here, Pilgrim/Tariq is already in position to get ahead of Black. Sure, Pilgrim probably has some sort of fast movement power, and the Heavens cheat, but still.
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At least Scribe and Grem are still alive, with their Legions from Iserre. They might be the ones calling for an extraction via Arcadia.
But Scribe is going to be seriously pissed. Possibly enough that she supports Cat over Malicia – and that could be very useful to Cat/Callow.
Also … Black is going out here, unless he gets an extraction here … which is probably unlikely.
This bodes poorly for future dealings (including the redemption play) with Cat. She might have stabbed him, she might not know what he’s up to … but he’s still her Mentor/Father-figure, about to get killed by someone using disease as a weapon to kill armies that had defended her country against an email invasion.
Tariq, Laurence, and any of the other heroes who survive Black, are totally fucked when Cat finds out that they killed Black, assuming Scribe doesn’t get them first.
Also … I doubt that Cordelia (or the rest of Procer) is going to be happy that Tariq used a weaponized plague. That will likely strike them as far too close to Evil, if not across the line.
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I guessed that Saint had him going to Iserre to set the Hero trap but it looks like the God’s Above directly interfered by passing on where Black was going (Bard would not have known she is not a precog and there was nothing from Augur shown) which will all the God’s Below to interfere directly.
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It wasn’t divine intervention, just good prediction. The Pilgrim’s monologue indicates that he thought the same way that Black did – Iserre is obvious hero bait, Black doesn’t fall for obvious traps, therefore, Black will be somewhere else.
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*whistles appreciatively *
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Gods Below that was intense
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Welp. The Grey Pilgrim just earned himself a place on Cat’s ‘unwilling to be reasonable’ list – copying Akua’s accomplishment in any way, shape, or form is going to result in his head on a pike – not to mention the vast level of hypocrisy being shown off.
Other than that…..I’m slightly disappointed in Black’s falling for the same ‘I don’t know enough stories’ schtick twice – last time it resulted in Captain dying, and now Ranker and any other high-level people not with Scribe and Grem? That’s beyond poor planning, it’s falling for the same plot….again.
I’m….also a little uncertain on the timing of all this – on how the grey pilgrim got from Callow to Procer and now chasing after the black knight so quickly.
There’s also the possibility that by blowing their load on killing Amadeus, the ‘heroic band’ kind of guarantees their defeat by the dead king’s hands, unless Cat’s actions are concurrently being seen as ‘balancing’ the scales.
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I agree as well, though I got no comment on the timing thing since I haven’t paid that, that much attention.
This kinda… cheapens Tariq’s character in my view. Like, it completes it, but it makes it bland and tiring in the same way Tagg was tiring. And EE in my experience doesn’t do that.
Now as to the hypocrisy thing, I see it as hypocrisy if the speaker is operating under the aegis of the term “Good”. But, conversely I see it as inevitability and not exactly hypocrisy if the speaker is operating under the aegis of “Obedience”. Terrible either way though, in the sense that its not very fun to read at this point.
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Exactly what you would construe as “not hypocrisy” under the aegis of Good?
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In this situation, challenging Black before he gets to the fishing town.
Mostly, what I mean by “Good” is what the world here thinks of when they say good. Thus not using the plague or any similar thing.
Attempting to find a solution which means reducing total number of casualties. And if Tariq was Proceran I would say things which reduce the casualties of his countrymen. But he isn’t so that one doesn’t really apply, instead transmuting to people “on his side”.
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Pilgrim probably has some sort of fast movement power, and likely some sort of long range communications.
That said, I am definitely sharing in the confusion on the timing.
But, yeah, Pilgrim’s just tossed goblinfire on any attempt to reason with Cat, including his redemption play. Hells, with this, Cat might not be willing to stop of obliterating the ruins.
This “Heroic” Band, going off what Laurence said in Fatalism 3, and Bard’s apparent involvement, is more interested in getting rid of the “New/Practical Evil”, and they want classic Evil winning and pulling a Triumphant-esque total victory only to collapse and spawn a rebirth of Good from the ashes in a few years.
Problem is … way back in Skirmish 2, Ranker? Or Sacker, not sure which without checking, noted that Cat had learned from the most patient of monsters and surpassed his greatest weakness (lack of personal power), and that while Triumphant had been a storm to be waited out, there would be no waiting out Cat, and thought that Cat would turn Calernia into a funeral pyre for Black, and thought that even Black didn’t deserve one that big. Cat will be the Dread Queen/Black Empress of Callow, and all of human Calernia will be under her boot.
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Dude, he was beaten by disease crafted with direct intervention from above.
It’s the worst usage I’ve seen of cheat card, just to kill a man that, so far, would have had the least involvement on the outcome of the crusade.
And for what? To protect the First Prince political power? The same girl being made sacrifice of by the Saint?
Evil will eat these fuckers from all fronts.
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Lol good point! Maybe this isn’t Black’s death arc but Pilgrim’s fall from grace arc
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Nah he’s safe from Cat for the whole mass murder thing. You see he didn’t do it in Callow. The GA might see it a bit differently though, if Pilgrim fails to kill Black (or even find him) after killing so many people for nothing else.
since Black has seen the weakness of his perspective before and had the point driven home with the death of Ranger it would go against character to fall for it again from the same Pony. That, combined with his decoy clone trick, the fact that he’s still sick like he’s been using his aspect and the fact that the decoys don’t have Name signatures, and Ranker’s suspicious absence suggests that the green eyed man is a clone.
Heck, with how they were throwing people overboard and Pilgrim the Gray didn’t see the corpses floating around the real army is probably marching under water.
Finally, this is also the Queen’s Gambit offer we were promised a few chapter titles ago (first event that could be a pawn being sacrificed). Declining just leaves the center contested though so there are probably more heroes everywhere
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You know, I get the feeling that even if the GP showing up right now wasn’t part of Black’s plan, this is roughly what he wanted when he set out with his legion in the first place. From the very start, there was no way he could have expected what he did to have been sustainable. You can only pull the bait-and-switch on someone for so long until it stops working and by that point, Black would be basically incapable of fighting back anyways. More than that though, getting into one last big fight with SOMEONE was inevitable after what happened, the only thing he could control was who he goes down fighting
So with the idea in mind that no matter what he did, Black would die, he had to figure out how to get the most use out of what remained of his life. So he grabs what troops he has and decides to expend himself against the nation where it would do the most, heh, “Good.” If he stuck around Procer then he would have just had one last confrontation with the Empress which doesn’t help anyone.
The thing that really makes me think he did this on purpose though is Catherine. Once I started thinking about his plan in terms of, ‘what action makes Cat do what’s best for my big plan’ then being killed by the heroes is a pretty good motivator. Recently Catherine has had nothing but shit dealings with Procer and has explicitly made overtures of peace towards the Heroes. She feels much more positively about them than the tower but Black dying could change that HARD.
I mean, sure, Catherine isn’t stupid or irrational, but the story Black’s set up here is pretty solid. Enemy you started to trust cuts down your weakened mentor/father figure. In terms of story logic that sets up Catherine and the Heroes as irreconcilable enemies forever. So Black dies in a way which the Calamities cant blame on Cat and go for vengeance, Cat goes for vengeance, and Evil gets united under one semi-friendly banner once more. Counting the Dead King and the Tyrant, that’s 4 entire Evil empires going after the same group, all for the low low price of a man who was on his way out anyways.
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idk if any of what you say is what the author intends, but it does seem reasonable to me, fwliw, i was thinking along the same lines. And wishing Cat would use the obeservatory to see this and gate him out..but she’s busy playing pattycake w/ a suicidal culture and a genocidal one, neither of which will really help her much afaik, while her homeland falls apart. I really like black, also.
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Black is in his prime. Evil names make you stop aging for all intents and purposes
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Huh, ok then.
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Ok it time to revisit the age old argument of “Who is Assassin?”
Has everyone forgotten how long Ranker is. How Black and her do not speak about how long she has lived, it has been speculated that Goblins have names why would one not be Assassin. Is the reason they do not talk about it because she would have to murder him.
The calamities was a band formed at the conquest, Assassin could have come from a goblin who saw that the practicality of killing could bring her people from depths where they hid from the world and made them a player in a larger game(similar to an Orc that we all know and love).
Ranker has a purpose to give her people a chance to move forward to pull the Matrons from their paranoid ways into a new future, she has a role to silence any who are deemed a threat to her people, she probably began life killing when the opportunity presented itself based on robbers backstory assassination comes almost second nature to Goblins.
If that is not enough proof the Black knight making a heroic last stand when the odds are stacked against him, pleaaaasseee. He would not allow creation the chance Not going to happen he goes in a brutal way not a heroic way. He has pulled this skit once, with Akua when he used an assassin body double, then with the white swordsman, why not keep using it. Let the heroes win the battle then shiv them in the ribs when they raise there hands in celebration.
Good cliffhanger but until I see a severed head and a name dream from Chat or Warlock going on a murder spree I believe nothing. Don’t forget Chat planned on having her head beheaded by the lone swordsman and resewn at the end of the fight. Not to mention like many situations they gave Black time to prepare, bad mistake. He has only been surprised once this entire time and that when stabbed him in the chest giving him a new lease on life.
Sorry for the long post.
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You know this would have gotten a like, but then you used “Chat” just why?
Otherwise great post. Great thoughts on the situation.
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It’s Cheshire Cat. A fan nickname. Kinda like Ubua, only much less canon.
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And much more stupid, Cheshire Cat holds the same part of the story as the wandering bard, not the good dam protagonist.
Cat, shorting of the name
Catherine, her name.
Queen of (Winter, Callow) her position.
Chat, Fandom stupidity based on people of the internet trying to be smart.
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I always thought it came from a typo where she was accidentally called Chat in text. But this is even worse.
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I wrote really fast even when I type on the wiki I type Chat and have to correct. I will proof read next time promise. No need for like just glad someone read it.
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Well fuck. Nice theory on Ranker. In retrospect, the hints are there. But the problem is that you do not give such a public and important position to such a stealthy Name. Plus, the whole Liesse sequence tends to completely destroy any credibility for this theory. But it is possible that Assasin is a goblin. Would fit into the overall narrative too.
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Assassin is male, per Scribe (and she should know), and presumably human.
Also, anyone with Black on the ships is demonstrably not Named, otherwise they’d have the standard Named disease immunity package and Black wouldn’t be the sole survivor.
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Presumably human is not a good argument. Also, if we go down the rabbit hole, Scribe doesn’t have to know the Assasin’s race nor gender. And the whole point of “Assassin’s on the ship’ is to provide the possible justification for Black surviving.
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TeK:
Assassin is useless in an open fight. They specialize in killing new Heroes, preferably from ambush.
These Heroes aren’t new, and they’re expecting a trap. Assassin wouldn’t accomplish anything by fighting the Saint of Swords directly.
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Nice theory, but Black’s PoV implies he doesn’t know why Ranker has lived for so long. He would if she was the Assassin.
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Well, shit. Only way I see him getting out of this is Pilgrim sparing him to use as a hostage, since Cat’s busy hunting the Sve. Unless we get one of the other Calamities doing a heroic rescue.
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Pilgrim is knowledgeable in story verse to never do that. He’ll be gunning for Black’s head
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No!
No no no no no no
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So, I guess we just saw what would have happened if Cat had initiated Operation Bonfire.
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Black had made his career in predicting and subverting stories, as they are the main path to victory for Heroes. However, the Bard and now the Pilgrim have shown him that he can be blindsided by story setups he could never have known about. The implication seems to be that stories are recipes for what setups the Heavens and Hells would follow through on, but that each culture only knows a few stories. The Choir of Mercy may have always allowed plagues as an acceptable tactic, but a Callowan Hero would never think to ask because it defies his sense of honor. The Bard is so dangerous because she knows all the recipes discovered by all cultures throughout time: how to summon an angel to turn a city into crusaders, how to turn a monster’s virgin-slaying into a guaranteed kill, how to get a Black Knight to betray his Empress.
…I think the Underdark has stories too. And while they may not have been heard aboveground in quite some time, that doesn’t mean that they’ve lost their potency. Well, nothing the Bard hasn’t heard before, but Proceran heroes might be the ones who end up blindsided next when the Black Queen returns.
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Queen’s Gambit Declined is a variant of the Queen’s Gambit opening, where White makes an aggressive play for the center of the board by offering up c3 to get Black’s d4 out of the way and then push to e3 for control of the center. The declined variant is where Black supports d4 with e5 to construct a solid pawn defense while constraining Black’s light bishop.
I just love how Good and Evil can be framed as either Black of White in this game of the Gods.
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Oh.
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You know….I don’t necessarily think it will happen, but I would LOVE if this is what leads to Cat’s ‘inverse’ response to what the Grey Pilgrim basically told her regarding ‘turning her companions to evil by working with the gods below’.
Because if this is somehow considered ‘good’, I don’t think Cat will want anything to do with it, or the grey pilgrim.
It also cements Tariq as someone who doesn’t actually match up to the ‘legend’ he provides, in a way that pretty much all ‘heroes’ have fallen short in some way, shape, or fashion – even the white knight has his failings.
….But at least maybe now we’ll get to see Scribe cut loose!
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Scribe is going to Get Creative. Be afraid. *shivers*
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I constantly marvel at how the story actually improves over time. Especially given the rate chapters are coming out. EE, you are amazing. Just, just so amazing.
I don’t believe that Black is going to die. I mean, we already have seen “Black” die two times. One time it was an Assasin, whom we did not see since the Liesse. Second time it was Nephariouses meat puppet. Quite frankly, it seems anticlimactic for him to die there. While the chapter makes it clear that he was outwitted or perhaps just made a mistake, we never see his actual thought or plans. The death of Ranker ranked to be fair. But I remember what he said about narrative weight and the shifting of it.
Just look at narrative here. An old Named, all alone in the middle of enemy, with corpses of his soldiers and friends around him, striken with a magical plague that killed noncombatants and civilians. And now party comes to him after he had fallen into their wicked trap. Clearly outmatched and weakened, he prepares for meaningless last stand. That is not a Villains story. GP should just know, he just lost to the exact same thing.
Also I am completely appaled at hypocricy of the critique of GP. He is a prime example of Practical Good, and I like him. He killed villagers, yes, but with the death of BK, how many thousands will be spared? The arithmetic holds. If we can say that Black is Evil even if he uses benevolent means, why reverse can’t be true? This is why angels are so unmalleable. When Heroes faced with reality, sometimes they have to sacrifice their decency and morals. There is more to martyrdom then the death of body. But even when Hero strays from the Light of the Above, in his darkest hour, he will find that those principles still STAND.
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> He killed villagers, yes, but with the death of BK, how many thousands will be spared? The arithmetic holds.
Just because he’s correct doesn’t make him right. He’s making the same mistake Emiya Kiritsugu did in Fate/Zero, and Archer did in Fate/Stay Night.
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He never claimed himself Good though, did he? He never tried to portrait his actions as anything better then they are. He aknowledge them for what they are: sins. Service is no absolution. Where is there HYPOCRISY?! I don’t understand those people. It’s like they mindlessly adopted Cathrines point of view and it makes me angry. She think’s, what, Heroes need to be perfect and beyond reproach, like in stories, but they can’t be. The point is to striving for the ideal, not being one. And then she is faced with the ideal, and still doesn’t like it, because, boo fucking hoo, ideal is not human. There are just no pleasing those people.
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The hypocrisy comes from the fact that good cannot beat evil without partaking in evil. The heroes try to act like They are intrinsically better than the Villains but that is just not true. Cat struggled with the idea of killing a few drow a couple chapters ago, while Pilgrim snuck into a proceran town to deliver a plague before killing the rest of the inhabitants. Hell saint even boasted once about how many people she had to kill to get her domain! Saint is willing to let Procer burn for the CHANCE that what comes after is better. There are so many examples showing how absolutely evil heroes are, but since they are supported by above they get away with all of it.
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Firstly, I’m not absolving other Heroes from anything, even hypocrisy. The point I was trying to make is that partaking in “evil” means does not make someone named as Hero to automatically partake in hypocrisy. I am much less fond of Saint anyway.
“The hypocrisy comes from the fact that good cannot beat evil without partaking in evil.”
And, again. The point of ideal is to striving for it, not being it. What does Black strive for? The ultimate difference between Heroes and Villains is the difference between Fettered and Unfettered. Both sides commit unideal acts for they live in the unideal world. I actually recheaked the meaning of hypocrisy, because I thought maybe I am wrong. But no. What you describe as partaking in evil is using the means that are traditionally prefered by evil people. That does not make them evil. And besides, GP never said that those methods weren’t evil. He never pretended that those methodes are good because he is good (which he also never said). Here is the difference between GP with hypocrisy on and off.
“So, Praesi are evil, and Callowans are getting slowly corrupted into evil. Time to do some magic plague purging. It’s not evil, cause they are evil! I am such a good man. I deserve to be called hero.”
Or
“Crafting the plague had been easy as snapping his fingers, and mayhaps that was the most distressing part of it. The Enemy delighted in displaying its power, raising massive contraptions or weaving elaborate schemes to praise its own cunning and cleverness. Like it was the only side capable of doing those things, like it wasn’t a choice to turn away from the unsightly means of the Gods Below. The Grey Pilgrim could have birthed diseases and disasters that would raise the hair on the Warlock’s neck, if he so wished. But power had to used responsibly, turned to moral purpose, else it could only ever be a form of tyranny. And so Tariq had wept”
He never flinches from the fact that what he does is an atrocity. He never acts differently from his stated beliefs. He is not a hypocrite.
“The heroes try to act like They are intrinsically better than the Villains but that is just not true. ”
They by definition, do no such thing. Evil is a choice. It is unrestricted use of any and all means to achieve one’s personal goals. It’s, again, a choice and so the word intristically does not play into it. Some Heroes are pretty hypocritical, I won’t deny it. But they are not hypocrites just because they are Heroes. It barely makes any sense!
I am utterly disappointed with Cat as of late. Yeah, she struggled with killing drow to get their stuff. And in the end didn’t even had enough decency to do the deed with her own hands. That is hypocrisy. She states having standarts, and then when she deviates from them out of necessity (as Tariq did), she FLINCHES and is not willing to do it with her own hands, UNLIKE Tariq. He killed hundrends of innocents to kill thousands of legionaries and the Black, the villain who is inequocably Evil and has no few graveyards of innocents to his name, that he created just to make a point in a pissing match against Heavens.
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Wait, are you saying Cat is hypocritical because she doesn’t want to cross the line? Because it makes no sense, at least in the world I live in. Can’t speak for whatever alternate universe you come from.
The whole “Evil is a choice” thing was introduced in the very beginning, and I’ve yet to see any evidence of it being true outside of a few individuals who were enabled to choose by somebody else. So far everything suggests that it’s either predetermined or simply enforced by society.
The act of smothering children in their cribs was brought up a few times to illustrate how evil Black is. Tariq murdered his own nephew to advance his goals. Isn’t it similar? If he’s doing the same things as Black, where does his right to judge him come from? And don’t bother bringing up the intentions – they don’t matter. They’re only good for making excuses, to turn the attention away from what has actually been done.
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“Wait, are you saying Cat is hypocritical because she doesn’t want to cross the line?”
No. What? The words about crossing the line are from Cat before the Liesse. Hypocrisy comes after, when she is willing to murder drows for their clothes, but is unwilling to do it herself. Unlike GP.
“I’ve yet to see any evidence of it being true outside of a few individuals who were enabled to choose by somebody else. So far everything suggests that it’s either predetermined or simply enforced by society.”
You mean, poor Aqua, broken as a girl into a Villain? Concience and an ability for self-reflection remains.
“to advance his goals”
Really? And what goals were those?
“where does his right to judge him come from?”
Did he? Judged him? When had he ever said that Villains don’t have the right to commit atrocities? He openly aknowledged that Cat had every right to do what she had done. And yet, she, in his opinion, had to go. Noone had given him right to make such a decision. But it had to be made. And so, he picked up a burden.
Gods, I am just tired. I am not saing the Good is good, that Heroes are good or not hypocritical. I am saying that Tariq is not a hypocrite. He may, very well, be called a monster. But not a hypocrite.
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Oh boy, where shall I begin?
My first point was a deliberate exaggeration. I know what you meant, but it still came off as if you were praising Pilgrim for discarding his moral code when it
became inconvenient and berating Cat for hesitating to do the same. It sounded ridiculous and I just had to point it out.
“poor Akua”
So that’s how you want to do it, huh? This sentence actually warrants two separate responses.
How do you imagine surviving as a good person in Praes? In the Everdark? i In such a cut-throat society you have to adapt or die. There’s no place for the meek. Children are taught ruthlessness from birth just because they wouldn’t survive otherwise. If it was really up to personal choice, good would have won long ago, because there wouldn’t be any reason to be evil.
As for Akua, I don’t know where you got the idea that personal responsibility and being molded into a role from birth are mutually exclusive from, but discard it right now. Akua’s actions are entirely on her. Her motivations for doing those things, not so much. She could have broken free from the mentality imposed on her from birth, at least in theory, but she had neither the opportunity nor the incentive to do so.
“what those goals were?”
What did I tell you about intentions? Grey Pilgrim smothered a sleeping boy. That’s a fact. An innocent boy, I may add. Because he might or might not have done something bad in the future. How did he know that? Does he see the future? Did Augur tell him? She didn’t even have a Name back then. And even if he had a way to know for sure, he’s still a child murderer.
“When had he said”
You’re either making this shit up or in need to work on your reading comprehension. I’m not gonna reread all the dialogue with Pilgrim just for this argument, but even if he didn’t say it explicitly, he implied it. He implied it when he first met Cat, and many times since. He implies it just by being who he is.
If Tariq isn’t a hypocrite, no one is.
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A person of personal and external influence and power committed a lesser evil to spare lives and suffering down the line.
Who among the cast did I just describe?
The methods are the same. The logic sustaining the methods is the same. The only difference is the label slapped on the players by outside observers. That is why Grey Pilgrim is getting torn to shreds by people. Because for all his talk, ultimately what matters to him is the label, not the people.
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Most of the Heroes. Arguably Cat. But the problem with Cat, and Hakram, can be aptly discribed per Vivienes words:
“She’d run with heroes once, the thief remembered. Men and women who’d carried the broken pieces of their old lives with them just as the Woe did, and some nights she wondered how deep the differences truly were. And then there were moments like this, where the killer across from her was surprised that she would embrace salvation extending further than her own little corner of Creation. Like it was expected that the lines on the map delimited the border between people and foes and there could be nothing between. William had been a monster too, in his own way, and Vivienne had neither forgotten not forgiven what might have taken place in Liesse without Catherine’s intervention. Rare was the day where she did not curse herself for having hesitated, having quibbled. Having allowed it to happen without raising a fucking hand. But even William would never have been surprised by someone trying to do good for the sake of doing good.”
Cat was more on the grey scale while she was a Squire, for Squire was a successor for two legacies, White and Black. But she lost that Name, and is hastily sliding into capital E Evil. Look:
“You know, I was trying to think of a reason for it earlier,” Foundling said. “To give you more than a warning, I mean. Then I realized I genuinely couldn’t. I’m not rejoicing at the loss of lives, mind you, but at the end of the day you’re trying to fucking invade me even as we speak.”
“Are you truly willing to mother the slaughter of thousands out of petty arrogance?” Cordelia accused.
The other woman’s eyes went cold.
“There is more at stake,” she replied softly, “than you know.”
The irony was sharp, her own word thrown back at her. The Lycaonese drew back in fury, but something in the Black Queen’s eyes gave her pause. For all that Catherine Foundling ruled with Wasteland methods, in that moment Cordelia was not looking at the Black Knight’s pupil or Malicia’s mistake. She was looking at raw Callowan spite, coursing deep and dark. For small slight, long prices.
“He will devour all of us,” the First Prince said.
“Aye, maybe he will,” the Black Queen said. “So we’ll speak again, after your people do some of the bleeding for a change.”
Now try to tell me that enabling the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents out of sheer spite is a fucking good thing, I fucking dare you.
The problem with the Woe, is that while hey are the oddity, they do not exist outside the world. The classic Five Man Band, right? Cat as the leader, Masego is Smart Guy, Archer’s Lancer, Hakram is arguably is the Big Guy. That leaves the Heart, and one candidate is Viviene, whose Name withers and dies under neglect and irrelevance, and another is Diabolist, of all people. So either Heart of the Woe is slowly dying, or it Aqua fucking Sahelian. Nationalism is not a virtue. It is not good, to think that your corner is so much more important, that other can burn if it spares your people the suffering. It is not Good, and to think it is, that is the height of hypocrisy.
Sorry, I got a little fired up.
“ultimately what matters to him is the label, not the people.”
Where the fuck did you people get that idea?
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Ok, I said above I owuld not answer her, but you must be reading a different text than the rest of us.
I have a hard time feeling too sorry for Cordelia in this situation, when she was offered the chance to have her armies transported directly to the Tower, but refused, so her forces can go kill a few Callowans first and earn a little land along the way. It’s easy to say your hands are clean when you get to decide where the history starts, but it’s not that fucking simple.
>Where the fuck did you people get that idea?
From the text. All one has to do is read and comprehend beyond the fairy tale “Good”, that applauds gutting the big bad wolf and filling his stomach with stones as due proces, but would condemn the same action by anyone other than a “Hero.”
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“but you must be reading a different text than the rest of us.”
I’m beginning to feel the same. That is why I’m quoting it, yes.
“I have a hard time feeling too sorry for Cordelia in this situation, when she was offered the chance to have her armies transported directly to the Tower, but refused”
Oh look, a Villain that has a whole city of dead Callowans to her name is making an offer to go to be true. I wonder why Cordelia refused. It’s almost like she didn’t looked from Catherines eyes and read her thoughts for a couple of years, and so doesn’t know what Cat is after. OH WAIT, SHE DIDN’T! Bummer, right? Not to mention that agreeing on that alliance would likely made her a traitor and deseated, her works of diplomacy undone and Grand Alliance in shambles. And she nearly agreed anyway. It’s like she for some inexplicable reason can’t trust Catherine. Go figure.
“so her forces can go kill a few Callowans first and earn a little land along the way”
Because that is totally her reasoning. Who is not reading text again?
“It’s easy to say your hands are clean when you get to decide where the history starts, but it’s not that fucking simple.”
It never is simple. Thankfully, nobody said that their hands ar clean.
“From the text.”
Oh fuck no. When did the GP ever said or thought is such a way? Plz, direct quotation. Maybe I am reading different text.
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“Oh look, a Villain that has a whole city of dead Callowans to her name is making an offer to go to be true.”
Uhhhh, excuse me, are we talking about the same person? Cordelia was approached by Catherine, not Akua. The same Catherine that hasn’t actually done naything villanous in the story, except to defend herself from “Heroics”. The same Catherine that has done more to reduce racial tensions on the continent by accident, than every single other person we’ve seen described did on purpose. The same Catherine that was willing to bend over and provide Cordelia with every assurance and check Cordelia could think of, for the promise of leaving Callow sovereign. It really is inexplicable, given that Catherine never once asked to be trusted.
Her reasoning is not the important bit here. The important bit is how the value of the reasoning changes depending on who reasons. Catherine has to acceede to the demands of the “Good” side, even though her only crime is being labeled “Evil” due to her having at one point been mentored by the Black Knight. Even though the “Good” side does not care what their less Godly driven members will do to her country and are willing to give her no assurances that they will raise even a finger to keep Callow sovereign and her people, well, not dead due to famine come winter. But now that the “Good” side is on the ropes, suddenly we’re all one big happy family? That does not hold. If at the end of the day, “Good” still turns around and conquers Callow, once the Dead King is dealt with, why should Cat help them? The outcome is the same for her, either way and unlike Cordelia, she doesn’t claim to be good.
>Thankfully, nobody said that their hands ar clean.
Almost a non-sequitur, used to draw attention away from the main point. Why does the Good side have the power to say “This is where things mattering begin”? Cordelia can not trust Catherine, because Catherine is a Villain and history shows that Villains always lie, yet Catherine should not care that history shows Procer always treats Callow like dirt and is in the wrong for defending her country from them? The logic seems spurious.
Not a reply to me, but still relevant to the point.
“The ultimate difference between Heroes and Villains is the difference between Fettered and Unfettered.”
Except not really, is it? Because this very chapter proves the Heroes are just as unfettered as the Villains. I would say that the only difference is that the Heroes have the decency to be tormented by what they have to do, but then I would be denying how much I complained a while back about how Cat is being too tormented by what she has to do. And that is why I say the text says Pilgrim doesn’t care about the people, only the label. You take it to mean I’m saying he’s a sociopath, or a cold, callous monster, but that’s not what I mean. It’s not just him. It’s all the Heroes that are like that. Because that is how Above *makes* them. Because if Good was good, Pilgrim would be in the steppes, teaching Orcs to abandon their canibalistic rituals, instead of army regulation being what mellows them out of it. He would be in the Everdark, showing drow that a nation built on backstabbing is a horrible place to live, no matter how sweet the personal power tastes for the short time one can get to keep it. He would be in the Kingdom Under, debating the value of every living creature and that being born short and stocky, does not confer different inherent rights, than being born tall and pale. But he’s not. Not because he himself is somehow hypocritical to him being Good. Because Good is hypocritical to begin with. Everything labeled Evil, is to be, at best, left to its own devices, or if too inconvenient/useful remolded in whatever shape the Gods Above deem appropriate. Even if what is labeled Evil, is clearly anything but, like Callow, right now. Unless you’re going to tell me that just having Orcs, Goblins and Praesi within it’s borders as anything, but menial workers and borderline slaves makes Callow as a whole irredeemably evil.
But then I wouldn’t want to have anything else to do with you ever again, if you did say that.
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And because I forgot to mention, yeah, William wouldn’t be suprised at people helping people outside their borders, because William’s people have not historically been on the receiving end of border induced racism for millennia. The example does not hold.
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Yeah? Orcs think Callowans are basically killers on horses at their best, and food at the worst. That not even bringing Daoine in the equation, for whom there is even a racial slur. Praesi think that Callowans are an altar fodder or a “involuntare captured free labor”. Soninke barely think themselves human. One just has to look at the racism afforded to Duni, to understand what they think of Callowans. Eleves are basically Nazis, and Procerans think that they are a mudfoot peasants who can’t even govern themselves properly. Yeah, the fact that from to sides Callow is surrounded by nations that regularly try to invade, and on the third side by a fucking Nazis totally means there is no border induced racism.
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There is a difference between having a low opinion of your neighbor (Procer – Callow) and literally having been treated as less than human for centuries (Orcs & Goblins under Praesi rule until very recently). The two just don’t compare. The other examples from within the Dread Empire, just reinforce my point. It’s perfectly natural for such a stratified society, shunned by nearly all others on the continent, to not see why someone would reach beyond the tribe, without a clear gain.
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“Try to tell me that enabling the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents is a good thing”
Its war you idiot. No one is going to let thousands of their soldiers die especially when they’re short on manpower, weapons and cash, and in danger of having their country starve, with another hostile force (Praes) on their other border to save the same people who invaded them on some trumped up charges, who have a history of invading Callow and want to cut your country up.
Basically if you’re France and Germany is invading you, and your common enemy before hostilities started – the big bad Russia starts invading Germany, are you going to help the Germans or cheer the Russians on and work together to defeat your current common enemy – Germany? Because that’s pretty much what happened in World War 2 and the Allies supplied the Soviets with arms.
Don’t be a moron. No military would ever do what you say Cat should do. No country would. And no Callowan would fight and die for Procer. Cat already said that accepting Cordelia’s terms would lead to mass desertion and civil war and she was willing to accept them anyways. Cordelia still said no. Then turned around and demanded Cat help her while giving no guarantees as to future terms and Procer couldn’t be trusted to keep to those terms anyways. Not to mention that if Callowan would desert and rebel at submitting to Procer, what would they do at submitting to Procer and fighting and dying for them? Cat would find her support vaporized.
And you try and paint Cat as the one on the wrong there? Get off your high horse.
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I don’t think that was just out of spite. I’m of the belief that Catherine wants the negative consequences to be remembered so Procer doesn’t try a Crusade against Callow again. Getting revenge is just a nice side effect.
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Third time’s the charm.
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Well I suppose there was always likely to be a Practical Good approach. Brutally effective. However…
It’s stated in the text that Black had most of the Sappers with himself in those ships.
That means he has all the munitions.
He can trigger munitions by use of his shadow (we’ve seen that before).
I expect that if he’s about to go down then this lake is going to burn green for at least a week.
Meanwhile Black can open portals to Arcadia.
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I thought that was Warlock who could open portals to Arcadia? Also I highly doubt that after fighting Catherine the Saint and the Pilgrim don’t have some way to counter portal-escapes.
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Two Options:
1.) Black is Dead
2.) Black is Not Dead
Then the Butterfly effect kicks in, and its speculation time.
1.) Black is Dead
***-He is killed thoroughly and body is not recoverable.***
While sad, Black is gone. However, the narrative weight exchanged is more potent than a nuclear submarine. With this, Grey has:
1. Broken his Pact with Cat (Which will come to be due later on)
2. Given the pricks below an excuse to put their full weight onto the scales elsewhere.
3. Set the scene for Cat to murder a god within their own realm.
4. The Black Expedition into Procer is over, they either surrender, or die horribly. It’s not specific if Black managed to pick up Scribe and Grem too, and if they died as well. This just adds narrative weight, and lessens the number of evil Named to counteract the crusade, giving each one more backing, as less champions to Below exist.
***-He is killed, but the body is recoverable.***
I see some sick joke of Fate make his body wash up on the shores for Scribe to see. This will probably be enough to motivate her to work with Cat temporarily, especially if Cat can necromancy Black Back.
***-He is “killed”, but the body was “lost” due to circumstances (Rigged boat, necromancy shenanigans, Outside intervention.)***
He is almost guaranteed to show up later on, just to viciously murder Grey. I also want to point out, that its not a given that below will just give him up. He is still one of their favorite pieces, and they might resist attempts to take him off the board. Can one really expect fair play from the hellgods? There’s also DK and Malica, It wouldn’t be too far to expect Malica to write in a safety net for Amadeus in the terms of her Pact.
Honestly, Black could be permanently gone, but his weight can be transferred and traded for something more, Dreadful. Without Grey backing the Northern front, I can totally see Dead King tearing through the Tomb with barely a speed bump. DK has been preparing for far too long. Bard will probably be ok with Black being gone, but she must now account for the use of an intervention and for the narrative weight Black had. This is probably the most annoying factor she will have to account for in the future, and might very well be the straw that breaks the camel’s back in the future.
2.) Black is Not Dead
Either he:
***-surrendered***
Not likely, to be offered or accepted. We already know Grey gets morally grey when hes winning. Black would probably be shipped off to Salia, and that will be one hell of a conversation. Although Grey did ask for the surrender, so there might be larger games at play, and there’s cause to believe that Grey might need him to survive Dead King. Grey and Bard are always thinking ahead, and Black may be worth more alive than dead.
***-was captured alive***
Refer to previous paragraph, most of it still holds true. There is assuredly at least one joke to be said about Grey using Black’s methods to get things done.
***-Nefarious Body Double***
Black has a penchant for using it, and it might be with Scribe. It would serve as a 2nd chance, and really Black’s only option to continue his rampage, although at the cost of a crippling. This is the least likely, because it makes this entire chapter pointless in the eyes of above or below, and is frankly cheating, especially in the narrative sense, which may make it the worst option long term.
If Black is still alive, then he is likely under guard and escort, and bound at least one conversation with Cordelia. Cordelia may be desperate enough to warrant it, and Bard may not want to dance around Black’s shadow. Catherine is making herself into a scary creature to be put down, and Cordelia may have to use Black as a means to get her to sit at the table again, or Bard may need to reserve a Good Intervention for the fight against Cat, since even Bard seems disquieted by her.
I still retain a hope for Black’s survival.
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Ultimately, this is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t matter for the Good side, as Black is still useful as a character, strategist, and weight for future ploys. Irregardless if Black Survived or not, Grey still broke pact, plain and simple. And Angels made their play, which means Below gets a turn eventually, which is a frightful thing to be holding in the hand of someone dangerous (Honestly, if any of DK, Malica, or Cat use it, it means very awesome bad things). There’s enough magic/Named bullshit involved with Black, that I think that this will be felt throughout the world for Malica, Warlock, Scribe, and Cat. If Cat “transitions” mid Sve fight to a higher state because the corpse of Squire transitioned, that will be a laugh. I also pity Grey, since I think he just lost the Moral High ground. I don’t think he can avoid Cat’s vengeance even if he tried.
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Cats pact with Pilgrim isn’t broken, Black and his forces are not hers and thus is free game via the pact Pilgrim made with her.
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Pilgrim violated his deal by leaving Laure, where he’s supposed to be “guest”/hostage to Crusader good behavior.
Black and company are fair game for Laurence and Malanza’s army (that’s currently rushing to defend Cleves). Tariq is supposed to be in Laure.
However, he’ll probably try to claim Cat being declared Arch-heretic clears him and/or that he operating under orders from Above. As for the latter, I expect Cat put in language preventing that from being acceptable.
As for the former … Cat gets to point to the Callowan House of Light’s counter declarations.
Oh, and she’s effectively of the Fae … she owns his ass, or should, assuming the right language was used in the oaths that were involved.
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His deal was that to ensure the safety of the hostage he would stay as a witness.
Only thing that is forfeited is the hostage/value of said hostage.
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He broke the pact the moment he fled Callow.
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Heh, you act like its early Christmas. Well… I understand the feeling…
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This had been the best chapter out of all the interludes for the past two weeks. Damn right I’m happy. The plot is moving forward, Black is on screen, and Grey is very much confirmed to be a different shade of Black.
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Holy shit. I have to say I did not see that coming.
> Where was it written, Tariq had thought then, that Evil will have monopoly on ruthlessness?
This is so good. The hypocrisy of it is so bitingly realistic.
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Where’s assasin in all of this? I know he’s pretended to be Black before and this doesn’t feel right for Black to die, especially with that cut off.
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At this point, when Cat tears everything down, I really want her to pull a Gravemind and say “I am a monument to all your sins”
Because she kind of is. Killing the Legions and conscripted sailors with a plague? Sure not Evil. Butchering the town? Killing your nephew? If not Evil then certainly not Good.
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She may pull a Montoya and go “You killed my father. Prepare to die.”
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“His sword cleared the scabbard with a ringing sound.”
Oh goodness. It’s an anime now.
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Um… yes? When wasn’t it? 😛
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Saint of Swords be like:
I am the Bone of my Sword
Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood.
I have created over a Thousand Blades,
Unknown to Death,
Nor known to Life.
Have withstood Pain to create many Weapons
Yet those Hands will never hold Anything.
So, as I Pray–
Unlimited Blade Works
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Hear me out, I think black is up to something bigger than the grey pilgrim thinks he is. He’s noted as one of, if not the most cunning of the villains and he knows full well that what he’s doing couldn’t possibly work forever. His last line has me thinking that everything he’s been doing has been leading up to the eventuality of heroes coming to stop him, an eventuality that he himself has said is guaranteed a long time ago in a talk with cat. There’s no way black leaves this story after an amateur mistake made in a hopeless campaign where he just “tosses the dice”, that’s not a villains story.
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I’m surprised at how many people think that a choir of angels is the same thing as the gods above and how using the help of the angels putting a hand on the scale. The total power of all the angels in the heavens is equal to the total power of all the demons and devils in the hells and harnessing such power is fair game for both sides. In nearly every battle the legions of terror use goblin munitions crafted from devils and goblin fire crafted from demons yet people want to cry foul when the angels help the pilgrim to craft a plague? *WAAAAAHHH*
I didn’t see it coming and hope he somehow survives, but Black was beaten fair and square by a someone who has done this for longer and knows how to fight villains. The gods above didn’t need to tell pilgrim that Black wasn’t attacking Iserre because he has 60 years experience and has likely studied how the Black Knight thinks.
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I have a feeling Amadeus is trying to get a new Name. Trick with Iserre can’t exactly be called tricking the Heavens, what he was trying to achieve.
He’s seen Catherine get rid of her Name in certain situations, so it’s possible he learned something from that. Afterl all, he used his aspects to max on his army and now it’s gone, he’s all alone in the middle of the foreign country. How could he be called Black Knight anymore? He’s more Amadeus now.
If he can survive this somehow or isn’t even present (Assassin trick again), we could still see him coming back with a new name.
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I’m pretty sure Amadeus can’t die here because he is currently in a Rule of Three with the White Knight. I’m figuring that is also why he survived the plague.
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It says … the Black Knight murmured, looking up a stars that were not those he’d been born under.
Any ideas what this means? He was born a short distance away on the same continent. So do the stars move around or turn on and off? Or does the phrase “under different stars” mean something else, like in astrology or something?
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Poetic license about “How the times have changed”? They’re not literally different. He just feels so old, they feel like they’ve changed.
Unrelated, but how do you do italics?
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HTML i tags.
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I think people mistake this as an outcome Black was not aware could possibly come.
Sure he might have been outwitted about how and when the punch came from, but I believe he was always aware of the risks.
Such arrogance they say, but when you say his mind works like a machine then he obviously is not arrogant. Even if he cannot imagine the means and the when, he most likely took into consideration that it will most likely happen somehow.
Also, I truly believe Black still puts his bets on Cat. He keeps repeating the idea of “how would a better world look” from time to time after all.
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I really want it to be precalculated by Black. A plague spread would be disastrous for Good especially if Nessy uses it for his own benefit. Another possible gambit is to force heroes to monologue and spread the admission of their atrocities via Scribe powers – it is a rather powerful trope as for me. However, I can’t see a tactic leading to Black’s survival and it worries me.
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